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It's maddening to read that iOS upgrades are still causing this kind of problem. I had a couple of iOS devices rendered near-useless due to OS upgrades around 2014 and decided to give each device a max of one major OS version upgrade in the future. I use Android more now, really like it overall, and am considering getting an Android tablet instead of my next iPad. Sorry about the trouble with your phone.

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I use iOS 6.1.3 on an iPhone 4S, jailbroken and running offline apps, syncing with iTunes 10.6.3 over USB, no iCloud.

It worked great 6 years ago, and it still works now. I'm not persuaded by the "updates" Apple keep trying to tell me to run; I think I'll lose more features and stability and battery life and USB sync, and not gain anything of any practical purpose to me.

If Android had USB sync, I'd consider converting. But swapping one cloud ecosystem for another just doesn't work for me, I want to keep my data offline.

Aren’t you missing a lot of security updates, though? Or does Apple backport these to previous iOS versions?

E.g. https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/07/broad...

You do miss the security updates. The trade-off is you have a device that isn’t dog slow.

Today I tried using an an old iPad 2 that was upgraded to iOS 7. It was literally unusable.

> If Android had USB sync, I'd consider converting. But swapping one cloud ecosystem for another just doesn't work for me, I want to keep my data offline.

Uuuh,it does last time I checked. You can even create backups with debug enabled. Nobody uses it though because plugging the phone to the PC is annoying.

You are also not required to use the Google drive services for file syncing. Setting up an owncloud server gives you pretty much the same benefits and interactions that gdrive provides

Andorid phones (the modern ones anyway) do support the MTP protocol... but it's horrid if you're trying to do something like transfer large files for storage of any type; it's like it was written with the old 4GB file limits in mind.

Iirc «adb backup» is a command these days and it doesn’t rely on MTP.

Google has an adb-sync script that works really well.

If you really need to transfer files to-from your phone just install an ftp server or something on it and remote into it. I do it all the time and it's great.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.icecoldapp...

https://syncthing.net/

I never think about it. If it's on my phone, it's on my PC.

What do you use to manage your music library? I don't just need a backup option, I need apps that can manage my music/contacts/calendar databases.

OwnCloud / NextCloud includes native support for CalDAV and CardDAV (using SabreDAV internally). You can synchronize your music library too.

> If Android had USB sync

It has, but last time I tried it (on Galaxy Nexus with Android 4.x), it was completely unusable. Transfers freezed and crashed all the time. I was unable to upload a single music album even after few tries.

I have an up to date 4s, but that means iOS 9.3.5. It works great, only problem is web browsing. Most sites load too much junk and can crash the phone. Brave is the only browser I can use, and it works pretty good for most sites.

On another practical point: isn't your battery completely shot by now?

I've never seen a phone where it isn't obviously somewhat impaired after 2 years, so what is it like on something that's 3 to 6 years old? Or do you get it replaced often?

I tried to buy a replacement battery, but that expanded dangerously until I noticed marks coming from behind the screen, so I popped open the case to have a look and promptly removed it.

I use a Third Rail case, so I can recharge easily. I don't use 3G, and all my apps work offline.

https://www.amazon.com/Third-Rail-Protective-Compatible-Rech...

One of the reasons I still like my phone is because of that case. I wish there was something similar for another phone. The external batteries also have microUSB in and out, so I can charge friends' phones too.

I had a Nexus 4 from 2013-2016 (so three years) and now have a OnePlus One (for 1.5 years now), and I didn't observe any loss of battery capacity on either.

I would assume replaced often.

But replacing, not getting it replaced. At least on my 5 it is a few screws worth of work to swap.

I use a 4S with 7, but decided not to upgrade further. There was a performance decrease from 6 to 7, but it's still very usable.

I was using 4S with 6.x until a year ago too.

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