Comment by mschuster91 | Hacker News Reader

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> at best they can make them shut up for a while.

Let me fix this for you: "at best they can prevent the Nazi from threatening, punching or murdering members of minorities, while he's in hospital".

Which is enough for me. The ultimate target of Nazis is to eliminate all non-white, non-Christian people, and every Nazi must be treated accordingly. The world already saw once what happens when you don't prevent Nazis at all costs, we don't need to repeat history.

> If instead the Antifa would attempt to befriend that person and to have good faith dialogues with them, they would at least have the potential to actually reduce racism, and reduce hatred on both sides.

This strategy only works on people not dragged into a fully closed world view composed of conspiracy theories (of the sort of "George Soros fabricated 9/11", Flat Earth and other stuff). Given the immense power of Facebook filter bubbles, where people end up with every post on their timeline being either fake news, propaganda or conspiracy crap, it's next to impossible to counter this. You can't counter 10 hours crap per day on Facebook with maybe a couple hours talking - it might have worked in the past, but no way today.

> The world already saw once what happens when you don't prevent Nazis at all costs, we don't need to repeat history.

Did you know that during the rise of Hitler, there were almost daily violent clashes - many of them resulting in murders - between right wing and left wing extremists? It was not like the anti-Nazis wren't trying to "prevent nazis at all cost". But using street violence against street violence only serves to destroy rule of law, and whoever wins the violent clashes, democracy loses.

Antifa is tolerated - often more than tolerated - despite being a violent hate group. They aggressively use violence, they aren't subtle about it, and they practically worship extremist left ideology. Everyone should be asking why that is being tolerated. It's solely due to the media having an extreme left bias. They've conditioned hundreds of millions of people in the developed world to regard the mass slaughter & genocide of left regimes in the 20th century as dramatically less important, and not fundamentally evil, versus what the fascists did. Michael Bloomberg had a nice article about the increasingly broadening ideological bias problem on the left:

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-09-28/jeff-sess...

> They've conditioned hundreds of millions of people in the developed world to regard the mass slaughter & genocide of left regimes in the 20th century as dramatically less important, and not fundamentally evil, versus what the fascists did.

While there certainly are tankies (aka people who worship Stalin, Mao and Tito) as part of the Antifa, they are by far not the majority. In fact, many left-libertarians despise the authoritarian tankies as much as every other educated citizen.

It's solely due to the media having an extreme left bias.

Are we living on the same planet?

What stopped the Nazis?

the war?

> But using street violence against street violence only serves to destroy rule of law

Which rule of law? A state that outright finances and supports right-wing terrorists (e.g. NSU), actively looks away when Nazis are terrorizing entire neighborhoods while at the same time heavily repressing anti-fascist activity does not deserve to be called a state with a "rule of law".

As for the street murders and street clashes, most of the time these were provoked by the SA marching and rioting through worker hoods (e.g. https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/SA-Aufmarsch_in_Braunschweig).

I think a large number of the people protesting on the other side are not neo Nazis and white supremacist. When you demonise the other side instead of trying to understand them you can justify horrible actions.

> I think a large number of the people protesting on the other side are not neo Nazis and white supremacist

Who wears swastika flags, shows the raised arm salute or marches with robe-wearing KKK members or globally known right-wing extremists, deserves to be called a white supremacist, and deserves all consequences that come with being a neo-Nazi.

unfortunately, it seems that antifa does violence against more people than just those fitting that description.

not that the violence is justified anyways.

> This strategy only works on people not dragged into a fully closed world view composed of conspiracy theories

The article seems to refute that. Your typical KKK member does not embrace a wide variety of news, but Daryl Davis was able to get through to many of them. It doesn't work in all cases, certainly, but sometimes.

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