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Once upon a time some guy thought it would be a great idea to simply construct SQL queries, make the DB calls and loop over the result sets trying to create somewhat decent output, all in a single JSP. I'm so incredibly happy I never had to work with him again. When you're writing a very simple todo list: be my guest. When you're attempting to create any kind of decent application and do use JSPs like this: you're stupid.

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Who said anything about all that?

See my reply here: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1535945

Whoa, no need for the stupid comments. I wouldn't suggest a full fledged app in JSPs, yes thats insane ;-). Although, years ago I wrote blog where I could email my blogs in and I remember that first night I didn't want to set up a war and just wrote a straight JSP...I was only looking and I didnt want to wait. Obviously that is not a long term solution. However, having something that's wrong is better than not having anything done. You do make a good point, I think I will play around with Django, sounds like its faster than compile, war, deploy that java apps take. How much productivity increase do you see over java in terms of development?

I never meant to call anybody on here stupid, but it's how I felt about that guy back then.

It's difficult to quantify the increase in productivity using Django - since I never wrote the same project twice and a lot depends on the Java frameworks you use and the type of apps you write - but I certainly feel more productive and: happier! A lot can be explained by the fact that I'm basically forced to do the whole compile-war-deploy cycle on my current Java project and that Python allows me to write real generic code.

Be sure to first check out the tutorials in the Django docs because setting up a project for the first time can be a bit intimidating. Totally worth it, though ;)

Well, I would never consider jsp for that. But for certain view-layer duties, it works, it's simple and it doesn't require fancy tricks.

Agreed :)

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