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Can we leave the innocent bystanders out of this? As a US citizen this new rule is garbage

As US citizens you (collectively) knowingly voted for government that implemented such laws and it is up to you to vote for government that doesn't pass such insane laws. So sorry, you are not a bystander here; I'd say equally demeaning and annoying border controls for US citizens in other countries would be logical consequences one could expect.

Yeah, let's completely ignore the 193 million people that disapprove of our current government. To put this in perspective if the number of people that disapprove of Trump were a country it would be 7th largest in the world.

they should have voted.

He lost the popular vote. But we have this weird weighting scheme favoring empty states.

Insane border laws has been consecutive added by the US for the last 16 years ever since 9/11. It would be nice if the trend could be reversed.

I didn't say it has happened overnight. The idea doesn't change.

This is not a law, it's a regulation, developed by a governmental body whose head is appointed. There is no Senator a small fish like me can call to stop this madness

I'm not much into US politics, but as far as I understand, Trump was personally involved in many recent bans/regulations. Furthermore, isn't that "head" appointed by president, senate or other elected governmental body?

The increase in weird border controls actually started under Obama. There's really no winning in American politics when it comes to sensible regulation or immigration policies. Trump is mainly just responsible for the recent "travel bans" and also the decrease of legal immigration

Also, this started before Trump, so democrats don't get a pass.

Actually collectively we voted against the government. Trump lost the popular vote but won specific states which is how he got elected.

Obama started this policy, Trump just continued it.

It is very easy to point fingers at one figure or political party, in this case though the waters have been slowly rising since 9/11 through Bush Jr, Obama, and now Trump.

Until American citizens are impacted (either through loss of tourism money or more directly) I don't see much happening.

Still, it's your and only your job to undo this.

> As German citizens you German Jews (collectively) knowingly voted for government that implemented such anti-semitic laws and it is up to you to vote for government that doesn't pass such insane laws.

Yes, I went there. What kind of insane guilt-attribution system makes the parent commenter (and all others who dissent) responsible for the actions of the US government?

As another US citizen I also agree that this new rule is garbage.

The way to stop it is to apply pressure to the rule makers. They still work for us (although most of the time it does not feel this way), so the constituents must tell rule makers to change stupid rules. Otherwise they are not innocent bystanders anymore. And nowadays the constituents will not care unless they feel the pain.

We all are "too busy" (at least I know that I am) unless our own relatives have to give out logins while going abroad. I wish it was not this way, but this is the way it is today :(

Indeed, as a US citizen it is obvious this policy will soon be expanded to everyone.

> As a US citizen this new rule is garbage

And this new rule wouldn't be garbage if it wasn't a US citizen?

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