Why was the other side of the story banned on HN, but this one allowed?
This is retaliation for Kaspersky showing the middle finger to CIA backdoors, as was reported in multiple non-western news outlets over the past week.
This is retaliation for Kaspersky showing the middle finger to CIA backdoors, as was reported in multiple non-western news outlets over the past week.
By the way "propaganda" and "public relations" are exactly the same thing.
If it's identified as US State Dept said "this" you know what to expect. So, IMO, it's different. Very different
In the true Orwellian fashion now typifying 2016, a bill to implement the U.S.’ very own de facto Ministry of Truth has been quietly introduced in Congress... http://www.mintpressnews.com/propaganda-bill-congress-give-a...
edit: not sure why this is being downvoted, all I am citing are facts from this thread https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15227543
Maybe Kaspersky is completely innocent, but the fact is they are based in a country which would have no problem in asking/coercing/outright forcing them to spy on other nations. That is a competitive disadvantage for a security company. If you think that's unfair then talk to Putin.
As a non-US citizen, I laughed at this.
https://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/21/business/us-snooping-on-c... https://qz.com/105490/how-the-us-government-uses-information... and so on
> DiabloD3: Can we get a more authoritative URL over this?
> godelski: I have a hard time taking this website seriously.
> driverdan: I'm surprised this got so many upvotes before it was flagged.
DHS Issues BOD Banning Kaspersky from Federal Government | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15240839 (18 hours ago, 71 points, 105 comments)
Not sure what new angle this Washington Post article brings that the current discussion wasn't flagged as a dupe. Maybe enough time has passed and de-duping is only done when both are on the front page?
Not only will the mods ban stories if they're offensive enough, but quite a lot of "social justice" stories get flagged into oblivion by the userbase. All sorts of things vanish from HN. Some of which is necessary.
Anyway, your statement is completely true, and in my opinion it applies across the board to all countries.
"The U.S. National Security Agency has figured out how to hide spying software ... That long-sought and closely guarded ability was part of a cluster of spying programs discovered by Kaspersky Lab, the Moscow-based security software maker that has exposed a series of Western cyberespionage operations."
> Officials tell CyberScoop they believe the FBI has engaged in deliberate media leaks and overblown classified congressional briefings to build the case around Kaspersky.
> The FBI has briefed private sector companies across several industries, urging them to cut ties with Kaspersky on security grounds
> Officials from the NSA, CIA and DIA have spent the last year privately criticizing what they perceive as the bureau’s escalatory strategy, which they say is often based on lackluster intelligence work.
> No evidence of a relationship between Kaspersky and the Kremlin has been made public, which has fueled a public debate about Washington’s tactics against the private company.
> “There is little doubt that the U.S. government’s handling of their Kaspersky claims will cause trouble for U.S. companies,” Jake Williams, a former NSA employee and founder of Rendition Infosec, told CyberScoop. “The data released so far against Kaspersky is weak and inconclusive and applies to many U.S. information security companies. Making claims without substance to back those claims will just lead to speculation that U.S. companies are involved in similar activities. Rebuking these claims is made difficult since the burden of ‘proof’ established by the U.S. is so low.”
https://www.cyberscoop.com/kaspersky-fbi-investigation-nsa-c...
In any case, if you want to primarily protect against US government snooping, Kaspersky might be a better choice than a US anti-virus product. If you want to primarily protect against Russian government snooping, Kaspersky seems like a bad choice.
To me it seems perfectly reasonable to prohibit US government authorities from using Russian antivirus software that installs with highest privileges. I'm amazed they were allowed to do this in the first place.
Yes, comrade! They did the same to FSB backdoors, no?
On a different note, do you have open offices, free sodas etc https://www.engadget.com/2015/03/27/interview-russian-troll-... ?
Insinuating astroturfing and shillage is the short path to internet hell. It's a game of snakes and ladders. Avoid that snake.
I've posted about this many times if anyone wants to read more about why HN has this rule: https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme....