Rasmus should win a Turing award for bringing an easy to use web-centric server language to regular people. He does not get nearly the attention he deserves.
As someone who works in php daiy, I despise the language. It's getting much better than php4, but it still is lacking.
"We have things like protected properties. We have abstract methods. We have all this stuff that your computer science teacher told you you should be using. I don't care about this crap at all." -Rasmus Lerdorf
If you really didn't already know about Rasmus Lerdorf's anti-intellectual attitude (who admits to being "really, really bad" and a "terrible coder", but still thinks he's "better than you"), then here are some more quotes:
There are people who actually like programming. I don't understand why they like programming.
I'm not a real programmer. I throw together things until it works then I move on. The real programmers will say "Yeah it works but you're leaking memory everywhere. Perhaps we should fix that." I’ll just restart Apache every 10 requests.
I do care about memory leaks but I still don't find programming enjoyable.
I don't know how to stop it, there was never any intent to write a programming language [...] I have absolutely no idea how to write a programming language, I just kept adding the next logical step on the way.
I was really, really bad at writing parsers. I still am really bad at writing parsers.
I really don't like programming. I built this tool to program less so that I could just reuse code.
I actually hate programming, but I love solving problems.
For all the folks getting excited about my quotes. Here is another - Yes, I am a terrible coder, but I am probably still better than you :)
It's a leaking ceiling, a bucket under the leak ostensibly 'fixes' your original problem of water spilling out onto the floor, but now you've got the problem that at some point, the bucket will fill up.
It's rare for most problems you face in the workplace for the difficult part to be actually solving the problem. It's solving it in a way that doesn't just create three other messes elsewhere, in a way that somebody else can come along and understand how the problem was solved and in a way that doesn't hamstring you in the future.
Some of these quotes are really baffling. I mean, he must be being facetious or something.
Jamie is facetious. Rasmus is just incompetent.
Additionally, the project has really moved on. Admittedly, there are people who still code in php 5.5 and don't use a framework, or roll their own, but their experience does not reflect on how pleasant php can be. Coding in php without using the ecosystem is like walking across town instead of driving.
Do you consider PHP 5.3.7 "moving on"?
> 5.3.7 upgrade warning: [22-Aug-2011] Due to unfortunate issues with 5.3.7 (see bug#55439) users should postpone upgrading until 5.3.8 is released (expected in a few days).
No seriously, he's literally as careless as he claims to be, and his lack of giving a shit about things that are extremely important has caused actual serious security problems, like breaking crypt() by checking in sloppy buggy code that would have caused a unit test to fail, but without bothering to run the unit tests (because so many of them failed anyway, so who cares??), and then MAKING A RELEASE of PHP 5.3.7 with, OF ALL THINGS, a broken untested crypt()!
Do you think that's just his sense of humor, a self deprecating joke, breaking then releasing crypt() without testing, that's funny in some context? What context would that be? Do you just laugh and shrug it off with "Let Rasmus be Rasmus!"
https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/jsudd/you_see_...
>r314434 (rasmus): Make static analyzers happy
>r315218 (stas): Unbreak crypt() (fix bug #55439) # If you want to remove static analyser messages, be my guest, but please run unit tests after
http://svn.php.net/viewvc/php/php-src/trunk/ext/standard/php...
https://plus.google.com/113641248237520845183/posts/g68d9RvR...
>Rasmus Lerdorf
>+Lorenz H.-S. We do. See http://gcov.php.net
>You can see the code coverage, test case failures, Valgrind reports and more for each branch.
>The crypt change did trigger a test to fail, we just went a bit too fast with the release and didn't notice the failure. This is mostly because we have too many test failures which is primarily caused by us adding tests for bug reports before actually fixing the bug. I still like the practice of adding test cases for bugs and then working towards making the tests pass, however for some of these non-critical bugs that are taking a while to change we should probably switch them to XFAIL (expected fail) so they don't clutter up the test failure output and thus making it harder to spot new failures like this crypt one.
And php has both protected properties and abstract methods now
PHP's original use case is dynamic HTML generation from HTML/SGML processing instructions embedded in otherwise static HTML. That's useful, but PHP's lack of HTML-aware template expansion and escaping mechanisms was and is bordering on the criminal IMHO.
"I was really, really bad at writing parsers. I still am really bad at writing parsers." -Rasmus Lerdorf
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https://web.archive.org/web/20100701145902/http://blog.magic...
- someone should receive an award
- someone has had a large impact
- someone should go to prison
Countering the first with the third isn't very constructive, particularly as you note "I realize the guy I answered to was probably just trolling." It just further degrades the conversation.
How about the Thomas Midgley award, for having "had more impact on the internet than any other single organism in Earth's history"?
https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Midgley
Thomas Midgley (born 18 May 1889; died 2 November 1944), was an American inventor. His two most famous inventions are both now banned because they are dangerous for the world environment: the use of lead in petrol (gasoline) and the use of chlorofluorocarbons (CFCs) in refrigerators. Midgley was accidentally killed by something he was inventing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Midgley_Jr.#Legacy
Midgley's legacy has been scarred by the negative environmental impact of some of his innovations. His work led to the release of large quantities of lead into the atmosphere as a result of the large-scale combustion of leaded gasoline all over the world. High atmospheric lead levels have been linked with serious long-term health problems from childhood, including neurological impairment, and with increased levels of violence and criminality in cities.
Thomas Midgley Jr. died three decades before the ozone-depleting and greenhouse gas effects of CFCs in the atmosphere became widely known. Bill Bryson remarked that Midgley possessed "an instinct for the regrettable that was almost uncanny." J. R. McNeill, an environmental historian, opined that Midgley "had more impact on the atmosphere than any other single organism in Earth's history."