But isn't that the point?
Does it actually matter where one person is born? Should it?
If your country has a system that "people from outside" want to exploit, then the error lies in your system, not whether the exploiter is internal or external.
If you were born in the US or Canada or a citizen by birth, you aren't an immigrant.
Many of our ancestors were immigrants for sure. But not all of our ancestors were immigrants.
Many of our ancestors were invaders, colonizers and settlers. Those aren't immigrants.
Saying we are all immigrants is a political statement. It tries to make us identify with the immigrants and pro-immigrant policies and has the benefit of masking/absolving our invader/colonizer/settler ancestors.
If you were born in the US and you think you are an immigrant, ask yourself "where did I immigrate from"? And that assertion becomes silly. "I was born in ohio". Does that mean I immigrated to the US from Ohio? It doesn't make sense.
Yes, may be this should be the ideal definition of a non immigrant US / Canadian, but most of the time people judge you only by color/race in those area
> Many of our ancestors were immigrants for sure. But not all of our ancestors were immigrants.
Yes, true for aboriginals
> Many of our ancestors were invaders, colonizers and settlers. Those aren't immigrants.
Yes, they did all those "cool" things by coming from Europe and "Those aren't immigrants." ?
>Saying we are all immigrants is a political statement. It tries to make us identify with the immigrants and pro-immigrant policies and has the benefit of masking/absolving our invader/colonizer/settler ancestors.
I don't have any of those intentions, in fact i dont care about them at all
> If you were born in the US and you think you are an immigrant, ask yourself "where did I immigrate from"? And that assertion becomes silly. "I was born in ohio". Does that mean I immigrated to the US from Ohio? It doesn't make sense.
This is so stupid
Really? What's your point? We are talking about the meaning of the word immigrants. Not racism.
> Yes, true for aboriginals
Not according to people like you. We are all immigrants. Right? Natives came from asia so they are immigrants too. Using your definition.
>Yes, they did all those "cool" things by coming from Europe and "Those aren't immigrants." ?
Did I say "cool" things? My point is that it is the opposite of "cool". My point is that there is a difference between immigrating and invading. Invading/colonizing/settling = bad. It is not immigrating.
> I don't have any of those intentions, in fact i dont care about them at all
Really. Your comment just reeks of agenda.
>This is so stupid
Is it? So lets say john was born in ohio and lived his entire life in ohio. He didn't even visit another state. You are claiming he is an immigrant. Right? So where did he immigrate from?
Yes, it is. I was just adding not everyone knows this definition
> Not according to people like you. We are all immigrants. Right? Natives came from asia so they are immigrants too. Using your definition.
Nope, They were the first settlers in those area just like first settlers in Europe, Africa or Asia some 30-40k years ago before they were invaded recently in 15th century and the migration wave started and guys came in 500 years back calling the current bunch immigrants
> Did I say "cool" things? My point is that it is the opposite of "cool". My point is that there is a difference between immigrating and invading. Invading/colonizing/settling = bad. It is not immigrating.
So for example, if now Germany attack Ethiopia, kill those people there are. After 500 years if the native Ethiopeans become 2% who according to you is Ethiopean?
Your comment is a bit confused. So are you saying the europeans who invaded 500 years ago are immigrants or not? Because in your previous comment, you claimed they were.
> So for example, if now Germany attack Ethiopia, kill those people there are. After 500 years if the native Ethiopeans become 2% who according to you is Ethiopean?
The ethiopians are ethiopians. And if the germans created a new state called "Germania", then the colonizers/invaders would be "GERMANIANS". Or something like that.
Just like we have native americans and people of other ethnicities in the US. What's your confusion?
You haven't answered a single question of mine and now you are taking us on a nonsensical tangent.
I asked you, someone is born in ohio. Lives his entire life in ohio. You claim he is an immigrant. Where did he immigrate from.
The fact that you refuse to answer this basic question just means that you aren't interested in discourse but to push your agenda.