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Presumably, as an implementor of an Objective-C compiler, I would choose how to compile methods, and I might just choose to compile methods to functions taking (something memory-compatible with) va_list.

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The functions which are called by objc_msgSend do not have to be methods compiled by an obj-c compiler. You can add functions compiled by a compiler with no knowledge of or support for obj-c to an obj-c class at runtime, and then call that method via objc_msgSend.

Obviously you could come up with other ways of passing arguments to obj-c methods which would make it possible to implement your message send function in pure C, but a message send function which passes the arguments as a va_list is not objc_msgSend(), and that says nothing about whether or not objc_msgSend() could be implemented for the design they did go with in pure C.

But then you can't call those methods from C yourself (expecting va_list, received arguments). And what about adding methods to classes from plain C functions? Do you duplicate those functions with a va_list version? Seems like that'll add quite a bit of bloat.

<shrug> I corrected a post saying "X is impossible in C". That's a different issue from whether X is as efficient in C as in assembly language.

I think the point was that you cannot implement this particular function in C - a function that forwards arguments to other functions, given a particular standard ABI. You've changed the requirements by saying that now the other functions use a different ABI, so you've missed the point of why it's impossible to implement this function, in these circumstances, in C.

The original question in this thread was whether it was really impossible, under any circumstances, to write this in C, as part of an Objective-C implementation that you fully control. It is possible in C, if you can control the ABI. It's the people who insist on a particular pre-existing ABI who are changing the question.

Anyway, I think I've said all I'm going to say here.

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