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That's easy. The most common thing to do with my iPHone is hit the button.

They overloaded the button to load Siri if its held for even a fraction of a second too long. 99 times out of 100 I don't want to use siri but she continually pops up.

Trying to click to get back to the home screen.... here's Siri.

Trying to double click the button, to kill an app..... here comes Siri

So to answer the question....

1) They made Siri enabled by default, something that I can't see myself ever wanting.

2) They made Siri come up using the button, again something that almost always means when siri comes up its by accident and not indented.

Apple isn't immune from "dark patterns" in their UI. The Siri example above being the most egregious example I can think of.

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When I setup my iPhone, it asked me if I wanted Siri up front, instead of sneaking the functionality in.

Later, I was able to go to Settings and switch it on or off.

I don't see how your above example is at all egregious -- people retain full control.

Compare this to Windows 10 (at launch) turning on a whole host of privacy-compromising features and not giving clear control to the user (but I was glad to see at a more recent setup I did that I now can toggle it off even at first install, and that I can look it up later)

To steelman your argument, I would propose instead talking about lack of browser rendering engine control or lack of ability to install arbitrary executables. That's actually something people have no/little control over. But even then, there is a reasonable debate to be had.

I've been using iPhone's with Siri since it debuted and this has never once happened to me. Is this really something you experience regularly?

I'm sure being able to access Siri from a prominent button was boon to users that have little or no eye sight. Also, recall this was added to iPhones before any other major phone had similar built-in functionality.

I have the google assistant on my galaxy s3, stock.

Siri was added to the iPhone in 2011, the Galaxy S3 came out in 2012.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siri

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsung_Galaxy_S_III

I stand corrected. Thanks.

Uhh, I have never enabled Siri on my iPhone 7 and everything just works. It's easy to install, but asking a question does not make it the default.

Turn it off then? It's in the settings. Can't say I particularly like Siri either but not using it works so far.

So what's a real example of Apple making the UI worse to further their agenda (i.e. selling more stuff)?

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