I do chores as yoga exercise, never thought of adding podcast to the blend..
Meditating is harder(and coffee is helpful), but when successful, is much more satisfying.
So maybe there's a way to make chores more demanding of attention[1] ? Like deciding to do them in a different way or focus on more/different details ? Maybe that's why the Japanese tea ceremony is so complicated ?
[1]As drumming is , altough maybe there's something meditative about music?
This doesn't work all the time though. I believe there are limits to ones ability to influence it's mental state. Last year, very sick, I could sense the calming effect of meditation. But tonight for instance, after a violent incident, my mind is racing.