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> Also, isn't it kind of ironic that you built your company on OSS and then invited a well known destroyer of OSS onto your main stage?

I think I missed this; who are you referring to? I scrolled through the list and didn't recognize anyone that I would consider a "destroyer of OSS" so I'm not sure if I missed something, if you're just exaggerating or a little bit of both.

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I suspect he's upset that now Microsoft are being co-operative with open source the open source companies are reciprocating.

Incentive structures be damned, the evil M$ must be fought, here, I brought this knife to cut my nose off with! (+5, Insightful)

Are Linux-using companies still forced to pay patent royalties to Microsoft?

I think he's referring to Oracle.

Oracle is the OSS destroyer (see MySQL, Hudson, Java...)

OpenSolaris, OpenSSO, OpenOffice...

ZFS is the one that got away.

Illumos is a fork of the OpenSolaris code base. We still call the file system ZFS, and all the operating systems (including Illumos) that use ZFS are working together on the OpenZFS project.

To be fair, the open-source method wasn't exactly working out for Sun.

They joined the party a bit late, they are already a sinking ship.

Oracle?

https://blog.docker.com/2017/04/oracle-database-dev-tools-in...

(The other posted list talking about Microsoft is from 2016)

I think he means Microsoft. There was a lot of emphasis on playing nice with windows in the conference. Good for developers all around. We were joking that it might be setting up the stage for an acquisition. I am personally hoping Docker follows the path of Redhat.

Playing nice with Windows has long been a priority. I saw the symptoms of this when I was following Docker GitHub ~2014-2015. In the area I cared about, Joyent compatibility, solid Linux/Unix approaches were significantly delayed or worse debated out of existance, because the concepts were incompatible with Windows. When you try to be all things, the result is something no one is satisfied with.

I'm not going to name names, if it's not obvious go watch the last general session keynote.

Edit: See my response below

Well, guess I'll do the detective work. Here's a link to the Docker blog that has the two keynotes:

https://blog.docker.com/2016/06/dockercon-general-session-vi...

Guest speakers for the last (second) general keynote were:

-Guest speaker #1: Docker and Microsoft demo by Mark Russinovich, CTO Microsoft Azure

-Guest speaker #2: Docker at ADP by Keith Fulton, CTO, ADP

And just somehow I sense that the parent poster isn't objecting to the CTO of ADP. /s

(What makes the objection doubly silly is that Mark Russinovich isn't the usual corporate drone one might expect. He's the guy who did the Sysinternals tools and several editions of the "Windows Internals" reference on the architecture of the Windows OS.)

I am primarily talking about the Oracle/Docker partnership. Oracle is well known for acquiring open source projects and stripping them down to skeleton crews to remove competition, pushing the developers who built the OSS onto forks. Microsoft has improved its image, it's still got plenty of skeletons in its closet though. Remember the "Get the facts campaign"?

The fact that they’re constantly brought on stage to be paraded as a symbol of enterprise maturity and stability just tells me that the product is not mature or stable enough to speak for itself, and that the original OSS community really has no say in the direction of Docker while enterprises are sold the ship and wheel for their rubber stamp approvals.

Whoops, sorry about the incorrect conclusion. I didn't realize DockerCon 2017 was currently in progress.

> (What makes the objection doubly silly is that Mark Russinovich isn't the usual corporate drone one might expect. He's the guy who did the Sysinternals tools and several editions of the "Windows Internals" reference on the architecture of the Windows OS.)

From Sysinternals to the Azure CTO... what a weird transition. That guy has had an interesting career.

And most entertainingly those Sysinternals were open source originally and were immediately close sourced after he was hired during fierce negotiations by Microshaft and many angry at him for thumbing them publicly, especially for the NT SKU registry change debacle.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sysinternals

(Interestingly citation needed; people still circulate the code on BitTorrent of very old copies.)

Ironically a MSer told me he was famous for his infamous condition he be a Senior Engineer with an unorthodox, exceptional contractual or understood conditions: no painful managing other MS people. This only changed when made the CTO of Azure.

No idea if that's rumor's true. He's a personal hero and I'm yet to read his novel about cyber war (yes, you heard me).

Yep, same reaction. Russinovich is not only amazing but also a good guy.

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