Whoa, how did we get here from there? Please don't comment like this.

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14080015 and marked it off-topic.

Except that it has been proven that Lenovo laptops had spyware, twice. In one case with a HTTPS-hijacking proxy server to inject ads. To add to the insult, the same private keys were used on multiple laptops allowing third parties to MITM HTTPS connections

If that kind of user-hostility does not place you at the bottom of the list, what does?

I never said it was fake news. I know that company X is garbage, reviewer Y says company X is great, why the hell would I trust reviewer Y? This isn't opinion or debate, they were caught 2 different times putting spyware on new machines, that is fact. Since I know this why would I listen to someone that says "Lenovo is great"? This isn't about "my view of the world", this is about the fact that a company has been caught using dubious practices. You want me to just ignore the facts and role over say "Well Lenovo was caught doing really shitty stuff, but this reviewer likes them so they must be an alright company after all!".

Also I didn't, and would never, vote for Trump.