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> A theatre in New York was showing the 1995 film, so I watched it for first time on big screen on Wednesday, then saw the live action on Friday

> Did you ... even see the '95 movie recently?

Dude...

It was more of a rhetorical question ;)

>The highly praised philosophical content is ridiculously short.

>Did you (and all the critics going this way that I guess will become the mainstream) even see the '95 movie recently?

The most sad thing is that the authors of the movie didn't.

I mean the movie is just a stupid fan service, just an ill-conceived mishmash of images taken from original movie.

Original movie had a well-built composition of images. Each image was appropriate, each scene was a logical and necessary part of the whole picture.

And those scenes and images were brought to the new movie in such a silly and thoughtless manner (typical for Hollywood in general), that they lost all meaning.

For example the last image, the image of the Adam and Eve under the tree of knowledge was dictated by the plot. In original movie the antagonist was the computer program recognized itself alive that risen against its creators. The Christian images of the fall, the archetypal image of the tree, all that religious parallels emphasized the central motive of the film, the motive of recognition of being alive and having a free will. And in the new movie the plot is different, there is no Puppet Master and no attempt to reproduction, so the image thoughtlessly taken from 1995's is void.

And so the full movie is void, each image is void and so the composition itself. Tbh there is no composition at all.

> I mean the movie is just a stupid fan service, just an ill-conceived mishmash of images taken from original movie.

Without that "mishmash" and scenes from the different animes, it wouldn't be GitS and people would complain about that. Hell, I wasn't ready to leave the room until I've heard THAT song. It came at the end and I nearly lost a tear. Same for the moment we saw the plane between the buildings of this superb designed city (did you look close? There is stuff happening behind the windows!). I'm sorry for you not being able to enjoy this. I'm not sure how I could believe you to like it in the '95 anime.

> For example the last image....And in the new movie the plot is different, there is no Puppet Master

Really now? You do realize that there are more then the '95 movie and the manga do you? In most of them there is also no Puppet Master and the main character has a different character. The main plot is different and they deliver different messages. They all are an interpretation of the manga. This one was too. Or did I miss the part where someone told us is was supposed to be the exact real life copy of the '95 anime interpretation?

This is all or the best you could come up with to support your harsh and rough criticism? A sign of missing knowledge? Man, your comment is void.

>I'm sorry for you not being able to enjoy this.

I'm not against allusions and references if they do their job i.e. being a method of art. References are good and appropriate in the Ulysses or Eco's books, but in this movie all the references are maid for one single purpose: to refer. It's the main difference between fan service and postmodernism. In a postmodern art references are used to create the new, independent piece of art. In a fan service references are used just to play on nostalgic feelings and earn some money.

>You do realize that there are more then the '95 movie and the manga do you?

Of course. All I mean is that in original movie these images are appropriate while in the new movie they are taken out of context so they lost their meaning. The original scene with the Puppet Muster did carried an ideological and aesthetic sense, while in the new movie it's just meaningless.

Yeah thanks for your excursion on postmodernism but you still failed to deliver anything concrete on that besides your missing knowledge and your opinion.

Kuze is not meaningless. There is a story for that. Did you miss it? To make it clear to you and your focus on a single character: "it's like the puppet master with a background". Almost like Motoko with a background. Actually just like it. This is the plot of the movie. The meaning of the iconography which is not christian in this interpretation but doesn't have to be. Did you have your eyes closed in this dark part where they finally find Kuze? Those people sitting in the circle being "hooked up to the light"? This is classic glorious cyberpunk.

I could say the comments you've made here, with your just for this occasion created account are meaningless. They don't catch the diversity that GitS has become since (and including) the manga. They bluntly ignore the context of the movie as if you haven't even seen it and your colorful language is probably aimed at a larger audience while simultaneously jumping on the hate train. Guess it's some kind of postmodern trolling or maybe a simulacrum of a review. I don't know and it doesn't matter since I don't know you and you probably haven't seen the movie but it looks so intelligent...

You totally missed the point of the '95 movie if you think it was all in the dialogue. 90% of the content was told through visual storytelling and the soundtrack.

The new movie totally missed the point too. If they wanted to make a full up action movie they could've done that.. but instead it was a bad attempt at reimagining the original for a wider audience - which I think is contradictory because the original movie HAS a wide audience while still retaining depth.

Not to mention the editing was horrible.. it felt like Batman Vs Superman all over again.

I don't think it was all in the dialogue. Not at all. That's why I was pointing to the script to show how irrelevant it actually was. While it remains the most criticized part of the movie. Besides Motoko. A character that throughout the history from manga to those several other movies and TV-Shows made several changes being somebody else every time. Just compare Motoko from the Manga to the one in the Anime. Or the one from S.A.C.

They did not want to make a full up action movie. They made another GitS visual interpretation and since every of those is strongly focused on action, this one was too. This interpretation of her was the first one that really showed a decent human part of her. Something that was actually missing for most other interpretations or was (seen from a western perspective) pretty ridiculous.

I haven't seen Batman vs. Superman. What was it exactly that you despised so much about it?

It was a movie which should've been good, in my opinion, but instead bombed because of a lack of pacing and therefore world creation.

I think that's something the '95 movie did really well, the long drawn out shots of the cityscape with random people walking. It paces the movie really well, and helps create the illusion that the movie is in a real world.

I think it's even more of a shame, because they really nailed the special effects in the 2017 movie. I thought the SFX were awe-inspiring. The movie had way to much packed into it, and would've benefited from slowing down every now and then to introduce better pacing.

Yes it's true, those slow moments were too short but it had more story. I bet if it had those moments longer and less of the story, people would complain about that. There is no way to win here if people want to hate it, they'll find ways.

Thanks for this, it echoes my sentiments exactly. I first saw the 1995 film a couple years ago and loved it, but the existential pieces really need some contemplation, or at least further reading, to sink in. And it's precisely because the dialogue is sparse and even vague at times. Anyone complaining that the new one is notably watered down is speaking through their Otaku filter, or otherwise not recalling just how much the original movie left up to interpretation.

Regardless, I loved both the original and the new movie. I have no idea why people are giving it such flak, other than being bum hurt that obviously a Hollywood adaptation is going to make the story more accessible. They did so, while still being mostly faithful to the mood and atmosphere of the original.