Where's the straw man I'm constructing? I'm just saying that no liberty is being eroded (in fact the opposite) and that any monetary objections to welfare are absurd in proportion to the frothiness spewed about in forums.

I've been on welfare before. It quite literally saved my life and helped me out big time. Now I run a very profitable business and give back much to the society and community that helped me out. Anyone who rants and raves about welfare probably hasn't actually been on it - it's almost a starvation wage, but it can make a serious difference.

The people who rant about 'freedom' and 'liberty' don't seem to mind when you give those up working for a private sector corp or the erosions caused by massive firms lobbying congress to write employment and tax laws in their favor.

Also corporate welfare isn't the same thing as regular "welfare" - try looking up some terms before you post in here so you don't look like a dumbass. Because "corporate welfare" is quite literally defined as the subsidy of private business by government using incentives such as tax reductions / abatements.