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If I read the specs correctly, Ryzens don't have GPUs integrated. Are there any motherboards out there with GPUs on board? Or do you always have to add a 150EUR+ graphics card to it (assuming I want at least 2x 4K display support)?

The 1800X does seem like a killer value for the money for us C++ people :)

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Why do you have to add a 150+EUR GPU? There are many cheap options.

You can get Radeon R7 250 under $50, which absolutely destroys i7-6700k's integrated HD530.

Low-end GPUs are a very poor value proposition. For $89 you could have an RX 460 with nearly 3x the performance of the R7 250 plus HDMI 2.0b and DisplayPort 1.4.

What is the added value of 5 times more than enough compared to 2 times more than enough?

The R7 250 is considerably less than enough if you have a 4k monitor. GPUs aren't just for gaming - if you use Photoshop or Premiere, you'll want a decent GPU. An increasing number of applications are making use of GPGPU processing.

The R7 250 doesn't have a single 4K output, nevermind the two he needs. For 4K you need Displayport 1.2 or HDMI 2.0.

(Technically HDMI 1.4 also supports 4K but only at 24hz, which is fine for TVs but a miserable experience on a PC desktop)

As other commenter said, none of the cheap GPUs come with DisplayPort I need to drive my current 34" UWD display or future 4K displays :/

AFAIK, a $90 AMD RX460 should be able to output to dual 4K monitors.

It can as long as running one monitor from DisplayPort and the other from HDMI 2.0 is possible.

If neither monitor has HDMI 2.0 then an RX470 would be required to get dual DisplayPort outputs.

The fact that it doesn't have an integrated gpu is a GREAT THING. This is an enthusiast/server CPU, if you can't be bothered to buy a cheap dedicated graphics card, wait for the mobile/apu Zen.

It's mostly also a packaging issue - I don't need 3D capabilities, so a basic 4K supporting Intel GPU works well and doesn't require me to add a GPU to a chasis (which can then be mini-ITX).

Hence my question about having GPU integrated to the motherboard like older boards had it.

You'll have to wait for the APUs, then, which probably won't arrive until fall.

This is not server. The actual server Zen, codename Naples, is coming later.

I think it'd be great if we could rely on every part having a standard, reasonable, GPU, even if we just use it as a clever vector unit and never push a single pixel through it.

No really. You'd prefer to use that silicon area to increase your perf. If you want a CPU-GPU combo wait for the laptop/mobile part of Zen codename RavenRidge.

CPUs already have vector units. Having vector units that more closely resemble a GPU as part of the base ISA would be an interesting development.

For a server I want a crummy integrated GPU to use every once in awhile without wasting a PCI-E slot.

IIRC motherboards have some standard integrated Radeon, though only DP 1.2 and HDMI 1.4a for now.

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