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It's fairly easy to foresee a rush to get in before the door closes.

Define "rush". There perhaps might be a small uptick in people who were considering it, had plans in place and would now accelerate those plans, but are we so arrogant as a nation that we think EU citizens who have had the option to come here for years would now think, as we're about to say "fk you" to our closest neighbours and embark on years of uncertainty, will suddenly uproot their lives to come here?

I have friends and loved ones who moved here from the countries mentioned who contribute to this country infinitely more than a large number of native Brits. No one ever really talks about the human side of all of this.

>There perhaps might be a small uptick in people who were considering it

Like there was only going to be a trickle of immigration from the Eastern European countries when they joined the EU.

Don't get me wrong, I was staunchly in favour of remaining and see immigration from Europe as largely positive but we have to be more honest about it.

One could also foresee a rush out since the country is turning into a place many people would probably not want to live in. Seems naive to assume you won't be kicked out eventually.

I haven't heard any politician from either side of the debate calling for immigrants to be removed after brexit, in fact it has been quite the opposite.

Why? Serious question. What kind of benefit, advantage would they achieve? To my understanding of the UK immigration system there wouldn't be any.

If I was thinking of emigrating anywhere and I knew the door would close in two years then I would bring forward my plans, if I found out it was closing in a couple of weeks I'd think it was already too late. I don't see why this is controversial.

I was asking for facts, not gut feelings. Can you name any kind of certificate or any other kind of paper a immigrant could get now which would help him in the future?

Isn't that the whole point of the original article, there will be a cutoff point, people assumed it would be when we left the EU but the government is about to state that it will be when we call article 50.

A marriage certificate?

Why would you have to immigrate _now_ for a marriage certificate? Do you think the situation will worsen even more for couples married after the cut off date?

Right, but only if you were expecting to emigrate anyway. Otherwise it's hard to see how this would have any effect. It's not as if being 'trapped in the EU' is a major concern on the minds of most Europeans right now.

Conversely, there may well be plenty of Brits who may well be concerned that reciprocal restrictions might prevent them from emigrating to the EU and might move forward their plans to do so too.

...and it's also fairly easy to forsee that this rush will not happen, if, during the negotiations, the economy in britain goes further down.

But we will only know for sure in two years.

Anyway, I would have expected that there was a bigger rush up until the Brexit vote, when the British economy was very good and moving there seemed to be a safe bet (because it was in the EU and you could stay indefinitely).

The economy is currently doing well in the UK. All doom and gloom forecasts as a result of the referendum have been re-revised up.

Yes GBP has dropped in value but it will inevitably bounce back in time (although unlikely to the artificial high it was on just before the referendum last year).

Perhaps the government-scale numbers and stock markets haven't been hit as much, but I know my wallet is being pinched more: food, travel, technology, heck, even apps. "The economy" is one thing, money in the pocket is quite another.

Sure, and I'm feeling the same.

But a lot of the price pinches are down to currency fluctuation resulting in sellers raising prices in GBP hence our purchasing power is reduced.

The actual economy of the country to date is doing alright.

This is just tabloid regurgitation. The situation is much more fluid and nuanced, no-one is sure of what's going to happen going forward.

>Yes GBP has dropped in value but it will inevitably bounce back in time

Are you putting money on that?

Real estate always goes up...

Right, so measures that confirm your prejudice are legitimate, whereas anything that dropped was clearly 'artificially high'

There have been numerous stories both before and after the referendum suggesting GBP was overvalued.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/currency/12065157/Pound-i...

https://fullfact.org/economy/exchange-rates-and-imf/

Only if you don't understand the system. Merely arriving makes no difference; it's the application for permanent residence that's important.

We don't know that yet.

What? We know what the existing system is: residence is a necessary but not sufficient condition for becoming a permanent resident. People who have lived here for ages under the free movement rights are applying for permanent residence, and some are being rejected: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/feb/27/rejections-e...

>What?

Every politician I have listened to has said they want existing migrants to stay, it's absurd to think that wouldn't be the case.

Much as I didn't like the decision brexit is nothing like 30's Germany.

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