Disclosure: My wife is also a programmer.
Disclosure: My wife is also a programmer.
Maybe there's some biological basis for that. But mostly, I think, it was just historical accident. Driven by technological limitations, perhaps. And for sure, it's all in flux now :)
Example: up until recently, many young girls in the west grew up on Disney princesses. Rewatch the movies, and pay attention to the female protagonists in those movies being active vs passive agents. Most are passive -- they're simply dealt a series of events (which generally happen only because they are beautiful or otherwise intrinsically valuable, not because of how they act).
Being exposed to those narratives from a very young age surely has an effect on identity, personality formation, etc.
I was arguing that how societies got to that point, over the past few millennia, was an historical accident. Or a series of accidents. There have been matriarchal cultures, for sure. With modern military technology, there's arguably no reason why they couldn't become dominant. But just a few decades ago, there was.
As I say above, it depends what you are optimising for. Not that long ago, a typical single-income household could afford a house, a car, a couple of vacations a year and to send the kids to college and to save some. Now a typical dual-income household is struggling to make ends meet. I don't have any strong feelings either way on whether the man or the woman should be the breadwinner; that's up to each individual couple to decide between them. But it's unclear how making dual-income the norm is "healthy" for anyone.
It's already the norm and has been for quite a while now. I'm specifically speaking on women getting paid their value. I mean if both partners have to work 40s, then might as well maximize profit on that labor.
Even now the dual earner household exists because many people believe it improves their lifestyle. But let's be honest, most people wouldn't want to work if they didn't have to. Sure, in the absence of the need to make a paycheck they'd likely still do productive, valuable activities, but very few like to work for corporate America. Most jobs suck. Most managers suck. Most of the time pay sucks. Having a job isn't (or shouldn't be) special for either gender, it's a necessity to whatever point it takes to keep a roof over your head.
Maybe when the robots take all our jobs we'll finally find a better way of living.
Edit: http://www.history.com/topics/american-civil-war/women-in-th...
Wow. I hadn't thought of it that way.
That's a lot of biological basis, which nevertheless is much less relevant today.
Now sure, no woman should be forced to care about being feminine. Nor should she be forced to care about beauty or any other traits that the men she wishes to attract like. But at the same time, men shouldn't be forced to like any certain person either and if they happen to favor more feminine women, then that's 100% their choice to make.
If women were just "choosing" to approach their career in a different way, or had just been brainwashed, then they would react the same regardless of who is around.
What this study shows is that single women expect single men to react badly to their ambition. Not that the women actually have less ambition. Yet so many in this thread are discussing this as if it's evidence that women have different inclinations. Incredible confirmation bias.
Could have fooled me, many western women lean towards tsundere...
How so?
"Tsundere (ツンデレ?, pronounced [tsɯndeɽe]) is a Japanese term for a character development process that describes a person who is initially cold and even hostile towards another person before gradually showing a warmer side over time. The word is derived from the terms tsun tsun (ツンツン?), meaning to turn away in disgust, and dere dere (デレデレ?) meaning to become 'lovey dovey'. Originally found in Japanese bishōjo games, the word is now part of the otaku moe phenomenon, reaching into other media such as maid cafes, anime, manga, novels, and even mass media. The term was made popular in the visual novel Kimi ga Nozomu Eien."
Could have fooled me, many western women lean towards tsundere...
These two properties are not incompatible.
> Women have been trained to be a timid, subservient partner to men for a millennia, and it's hard to get away from
suggests most women are "timid, subservient", which is not compatible with "many western women lean towards tsundere".
seems to be the crux of modern gender wars.
I've not met all humans, yet I believe most (>95%) have two arms and two legs. Is this not a reasonable belief?
In the current climate in western culture, it's more like women know exactly what they want and how to demand it, the problem is more that it is given to them without challenging them enough, thus preventing personal and professional growth. Right now, I get to witness how a coworker has to give private lessons to students in the evenings, beside working 100% as a software engineer, because he is forced to pay for the life of his ex-wife who moved in with her new boyfriend. He is financially ruined and barely able to make ends meet.
Even if your story were true, it has nothing to do with the climate of western culture, nor is it reasonable to extract a broad judgement of women from this anecdote. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it also seems from your comment that you don't personally know the woman whose intentions you're inferring (from the evidence of a biased party).
Do you honestly believe none of these people had not tried to appeal the judgement? And if the appeal court rules that the initial judgment stays then what?