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Air travel makes up about 2% of human CO2 emissions. Certainly you can make an argument that a lot of it is pretty wasteful since a lot of people on airliners don't need to travel, but there are far better areas to worry about if you want to curb emissions.
The units that really matter are tons of co2 equivalent.
If you want to cut CO2, your efforts are best spent on electricity generation, heating, and road transportation.
I would much prefer if focus where on high-speed rails that (if my memory is correct) has the lowest climate effect of all forms of travel except biking.
Agreed on HSR though - here in Australia HSR has been a pipe dream for decades...
The desire for cost savings by way of using less fuel already means that huge effort is devoted to improving jet engines (and planes, the 787 is quite different than previous jumbos). Even after all that, slower planes are more efficient than jets.
[1] https://aero.larc.nasa.gov/files/2012/11/Low-Noise-Subsonic-...
Engine manufacturers have spent a TON of R&D on fanjet engines and making them several orders of magnitude more efficient than the engines of 20 years ago even, but supersonic flight needs more than a fanjet - they need to look at turbojets, with afterburners etc. There is not much scope to play with with those unfortunately. What works at subsonic speeds at 30,000 feet won't at Mach 2+ at 80,000 feet.
But there are other aspects to conserving energy. When Concorde lands, then energy expended by the braking systems on the rollout is the same as that used to power an average family house for a day.
If they could improve kinetic energy recovery systems (as they do on Formula 1 cars and some electric cars), then that energy could be fed back in some way, to power on board avionics etc.
Surely that's an exaggeration? (If not - I'd love links to explain what's changed... 100 to 1000 times improvement since the mid '90s seems unlikely to me though...)
Looking at actual figures:
Concorde got about 5MJ per passenger-km.
A modern 747-400 gets about 0.9MJ per passenger-km.
Meanwhile trains vary enormously but US trains appear to get about 2.7MJ per passenger-km, while Portugese ones are about 0.07MJ; but I don't know if that's comparing like with like (the data is unclear). Cars seem to get about 1.2MJ per passenger-km. A big cruise ship seems to get about 5.9MJ per passenger-km, plus you need to spend lots more energy on, essentially, life support because they're so slow.
These numbers were brought to you by https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_efficiency_in_transport... and the 'units' command, which is awesome. Also, someone who isn't me needs to overhaul that page to use consistent units everywhere.
Also, that's a little bit of an apple to oranges comparison - I wonder what the numbers look like comparing a Concorde-vintage 1976 (or 1969?) 747 with a modern 747? Or even an A380 (Which I guess is the nearest modern counterpart of a mid '70s 747?)
I'm with you, there has to be some flaw with differing methodologies going on here. It's way too discordant.
I'm surprised at the 2.7 figure; are trains really more than twice as worse as individual passenger vehicles? I can't imagine so. Especially not the trains I use most often, electric-powered urban subways.
Planes are efficient, ones they are high up in the sky because there is less air there.
Unfortunately, they need lots of energy to get up in the low pressure regions, and we do not have ways to recover that energy in landing.
Moving slower also increases the per mile efficiency, as air resistance grows faster than linear in speed.
Net effect (highly simplified) is that trains beat high speed trains irrespective of distance, high speed trains beat planes on shorter distances (up to a few hundred miles), but planes beat high speed trains if the distance covered in one hop is large enough.
Hyperloop aims to change that by being a train riding at low atmospheric pressure (planes don't only burn fuel to go from A to B, they also burn fuel to stay up; hyperloop wouldn't need to do the latter) (edit: ideally, it also would recover energy on braking)
The only US commuter train I've seen was the SFO Caltrain, which was very not electric. Are there many electric trains there?
Yes. For example, Amtrak's Northeast Corridor is electric as is light rail for the most part (entirely?). There's also an electrification project underway for Caltrain. I'm not sure about how much commuter rail in the US is electric in general.
Whether you fly subsonically or supersonically, thermodynamic efficiency will be driven by engine pressure ratio and turbine inlet temperature. The advanced turbofans flying today have very impressive gas generator cores (high-pressure compressor, low-emissions combustors, high-pressure turbines) that would be equally applicable to supersonic airframes. The low pressure part of the cycles will definitely optimize to a different point for subsonic vs. supersonic applications, with supersonic cruise preferring higher fan pressure ratios and lower bypass ratio. Like Concorde, you are going to want to size the engines such that you do not cruise in afterburner (assuming you are staying roughly below Mach 3; above 3 - 3.5, the ramjet cycle starts becoming more favorable). However, this is all within scope for what the aeropropulsion vendors know how to do. The big issue is that the specific engine configuration you are going to want for a supersonic cruiser is unique to that application. Originally, Aerion was going to use JT8Ds, which they later shifted away from.
My point here is it's not principally an R&D issue, it's that if you want to minimize supersonic fuel consumption, you are going to want a specific configuration for which there will not be a huge engine market. Contrast with the market for something like a CFM56 or V2500. Being able to leverage the ADVENT three-stream/variable cycle work (and GE YF120 before that) will also help, but the point still stands.
But it's also clear that current VR or even "telepresence" robots (ie. ipads on sticks) are awful and there's a huge opportunity to make virtual interaction at virtual conferences great.
From financial perspective the cost of a first-class ticket is much higher proportionally than the space occupied by that seat. Full-fare first-class passengers subsidize coach passengers on a promotional or discounted ticket, enabling air travel for many.
Remove the subsidy, and average cost per coach ticket might increase, which is why Southwest (which does not have first-class in its fleet) is just sometimes, but not always, the cheapest option.
Would there be a public source for any of this data? Or anyone with in insight in these numbers that want to share anything?
It seems against any airline's self-interest to have those numbers in the open, this analysis uses the availability of free upgrades (unsold first-class seats that are given away to airline customers with preferred status) as a reasonable proxy https://skift.com/2016/08/27/the-state-of-airline-upgrades-f...
I'd imagine it's harder to get behind the carpet-bombing of a place that you've been and people you've met. Let's have more air travel, not less.
Joining the military (or a terrorist organization) should not be anyone's best chance of seeing the world. Yet sometimes it is.
[1] http://www.businessinsider.com/contour-aerospace-factory-des...
Just tax the heck out of them to offset whatever damage they cause to the environment, they're price insensitive anyway.
There are some "nice things" that money shouldn't be able to buy because they have too much downside for everyone else. Regardless of how much money you have, you still have to share Earth with everyone else.
When you first read a paragraph like this without experiencing what airplane noise pollution actually means you say to yourself: "How bad that can actually be? The airplanes fly at an altitude of 10,000m, I'm sure it can't be that bad. Right?"
Wrong. Since the Ukrainian Civil War started lots of large airplanes have been diverted to fly above my parents' country house, somewhere in Eastern Europe. The closest airport is located at about 140 km, but it doesn't matter, because at least once every hour you can hear those damn big "birds" flying 10km above you. It's even more unsettling when you notice them at 5 in the morning, as you had quickly woken up ready to fall asleep again but you now can't because there's that nasty airplane noise making its way through the house's concrete walls.
Supersonic flying over populated areas would increase that shitty noise exponentially.
It is not the same as being rich enough for general aviation transportation, but if I wanted to get a pilot's license, I could do that too.
As has now been demonstrated fully in the US, rich people hardly control politics. They do support one "team" or the other, but I would not mistake that for control.
2) Americans at least have been described as "temporarily embarrassed millionaires." The odd entertainment value of gawking at rich people as celebrities is really a thing.
3) There is an eternal struggle between the Coase Theorem and Pigou taxation.
4) The people who self-select for wealth may not consume as much as people who do not self-select for wealth. I heard the quote on the show "Vikings", but I imagine it is not original with them - "power is only given to those who will lower themselves to pick it up."
I'd like to see a moratorium on space tourism too. That's unlikely to be a popular view on Hacker News though, and it's got zero chance of happening anyway.
Furthermore, everyone will be given a standard monthly food ration consisting of rice, dry beans and powdered milk.
Each resident can own up to 3 "luxury" items selected from a standard catalog.
Each resident is permitted to travel no more than 150 miles from their residence each month, and personal cars are banned.
Imagine how quickly we could heal the environment if everyone could agree to these common sense restrictions!
It's kinda shocking that a major newspaper can cover such a topic without even mentioning climate change at all.
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