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These sorts of "centrist" comments bother me. You're acting as if Trump is a normal president, that any disagreements can be distilled down to "partisanship", and that he can actually be reasoned with if only he hears the right people.

The disagreements with the travel ban are not partisan or political — this ban will have very serious consequences for millions of people, and maybe more in the future, given what the president has said during the campaign. So far, he has delivered on his campaign promises, and has demonstrated that he cannot be reasoned with.

Some of us gave us him a chance, but now it's clear he's not going to change. If we don't take action now and prevent him from being normalized soon, it will be too late.

Nobody likes comparisons with Hitler, but I think in 30 years we may very well view Trump in a similar light — if I were there, I would've said something, why didn't anybody stop him?

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I'm not saying he can be reasoned with. Just that it's better to keep talking, regardless of the result. With talk, there is hope. When we turn our backs on our fellow Americans, there is only alienation and hatred, and all the dysfunction that brings with it.

There are two things here: talking with other people, which we should absolutely do without insulting them for having voted the 'wrong' way or some such:

http://www.economist.com/news/united-states/21715732-scoldin...

Another thing is talking with Trump and Bannon and the like. It may not be possible.

> Just that it's better to keep talking, regardless of the result.

Opposition and talking are mutually exclusive at times and then you have to choose. Trump is marching forward while people try to talk to him, using their credibility to bolster his attack. If he's ready to talk, he can always call a cease-fire and do so. These responses are very reminiscent to me of Chamberlain before WWII, who said the same about another madman, and ceded much ground and many lives of others, and then it was too late.

Talking with other Americans is an entirely different matter.

Right on. For those who are encouraging dialogue, please show me one instance in the past 10 days where Trump has shown the least bit of ability to listen to the other side. Sometimes, brute force action is the only way to make your voice heard.

Genuine question: Is anyone is the us ready for brute force?

When was the last time there was a brute force against an US administration that worked?

I'm French, so historically brute force for me means using force. Brutally. Right now I only see people marching and yelling. When's the last time that worked in the us?

I'm a little lost to understand what would work in the US to be honest. Culturally, here, what is the best way to overthrow?

I'm almost certain the GP meant brute force metaphorically, meaning aggressive political opposition with no attempt at finesse. Think of 'brute force' attacks on crypto - no actual brutality or force is used.

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