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I seriously doubt the intention of people behind this order has anything to do with security and safety of US citizens. In fact from my point of view, looking at the list of the countries which are banned you can see they could not care less about US citizens. For instance, for crying out load, 15 out of 19 hijackers involved in 9/11 were Saudi citizens. But why Saudi Arabia is not in the list? This is just a game of politics.

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And the other four were from Egypt, Lebanon and the UAE, also not on the list. Yet the EO starts by using the September 11 attacks as an example of the consequences of not vetting foreign nationals thoroughly.

I am not a Trump fan. On the contrary, I'm more one of his biggest opponents of him and ALL what he stands for but the list of countries banned from entering the US and referenced in the text in his EO -- 8 U.S.C. 1187(a)(12)--[0] is compiled by the SoS before him coming in office.

He's just riding on the coattails of former admins to expand the scope of the restrictions and sanctions imposed by them.

[0] https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1187

But, the order seems illegal.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/27/opinion/trumps-immigratio...

It's hard to take the NYT or WaPo seriously when they say something trump has done is illegal. If they were right before then we wouldn't be here and trump would have already been denied office or been impeached on day 1.

Ad hominem. The NYT has cited legal precedence in that article. Besides, it is an opinion piece by David J. Bier who is an immigration policy analyst.

I'm not dismissing the argument outright, i'm just giving my opinion piece ;)

Your opinion "piece" wasn't on the content of the article but who wrote it. ;)

Nope, wrong again.

It was on who published it ;)

The NYT is a company, it can't write articles, only people can

Look at my original comment, when did I even come close to mentioning the author or his track record in particular? I mention the NYT and WaPo.

You just committed the inverse fallacy of appeal to authority.

The parent observed that writers in the NYT, whether opinion writers or not, have an established track record of crying wolf in this regard. Pointing out a group or even an individual's track record is not an ad hominem attack because it's an argument about their argument, not their person.

Nope.

1) The said person dismissed my argument because of WHO wrote it. Classical ad hominem.

2) I did not say my argument was correct BECAUSE it was written by an immigration expert. Hence, not appeal to authority.

This is an opinion piece featured on NYT not their official position where they usually publish under the label "Editorial" and authored by "THE EDITORIAL BOARD".

Did you know that the NYT & WaPo have published factually correct articles before?

It's an opinion piece, not a news article.

Just because something is illegal, doesn't mean you are instantly clapped in irons and hauled off to jail. Especially if you are the President. This particular issue will take months or years to work out.

No, it isn't normal or some continuation of normal to ban people WITH GREEN CARDS from getting on planes to the US based on their being muslim. Jesus Christ.

This is your DHS acting or overreacting in reaction to this EO. I didn't say that it's normal or non-normal, I just said that the list of those designated countries is compiled by the Secretary of State prior to Trump taking office and not arbitrary like some people think.

Just because it was compiled by the Secretary of State, does not make it any less (or more) arbitrary.

No country on that list has had a national commit an act of terror on US soil since 1975 or so.

Nor do any of them have Trump brand hotels in them.

> No country on that list has had a national commit an act of terror on US soil since 1975 or so.

See? It's working already!

He who controls the past controls the future. He who controls the present controls the past.

I agree it's politics, no argument there. Perhaps the Saudi question has to do with ISIS instead of Al Quiada being the enemy?

Omar Mateen the pulse gay club muslim killer from Florida is Afghan. Why is Afghanistan not in the list?

Actually he was American born but don't let the facts get in the way: "Mateen was born Omar Mir Seddique[6] on November 16, 1986,[7] in New Hyde Park, New York, to Afghan parents."

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