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Is there any credible evidence that the US/NATO was behind a coup in Ukraine? Google doesn't reveal anything substantial.

Ukraine is/was a sovereign nation. Why should Russia stop them from joining NATO if that is what they want? The invasion of their country seems to suggest that a desire for NATO protection was warranted?

Annexing another sovereign nation based upon historical claims and access to a military port is blatant aggression and a return to the cold war mentality (sending unmarked military units over the border? Supplying arms and equipment?).

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Leaving out Russian news sources of which there are numerous:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957

http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Security-Watch/Backchannels/2...

https://www.csis.org/analysis/us-trainers-ukraine

https://www.stratfor.com/geopolitical-diary/west-hems-russia...

From the second link:

"[Nuland's] strong statement of preference for how Ukraine's government should be formed – and apparent confidence that the US has major influence over that – is a reminder of the disconnect between US government assurances that it doesn't meddle in nations' internal politics and its actual behavior (White House spokesman Jay Carney repeats this canard in his comment on the tape.) This was not a conversation analyzing unfolding events and how to respond to what comes next. This was about molding a situation according to US interests."

1) Obama's admittance in an interview on CNN

> Mr. Putin made this decision around Crimea and Ukraine - not because of some grand strategy, but essentially because he was caught off-balance by the protests in the Maidan and Yanukovych then fleeing after we had brokered a deal to transition power in Ukraine

http://cnnpressroom.blogs.cnn.com/2015/02/01/pres-obama-on-f...

2) Emails between the NATO general and US political staff, regarding US involvement in Ukraine politics during that time.

https://theintercept.com/2016/07/01/nato-general-emails/

3) NATO agreed not to expand to the East in 1990 when the SU broke up, and Crimea Voted To Rejoin Russia.

Edit: Feel free to Listen to the Phone call between Nuland and Pyatt from 2014

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957

Thanks for the links.

The second link is specifically about a US general going behind Obama's back in an attempt to escalate the conflict and the third even talks about how Russia is probably having similar conversations.

I don't disagree that the US/EU/NATO hasn't played games in the conflict. I do however think that there is a difference between political games and sending tanks across a border.

Thanks again for the links.

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