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I find this extremely inaccurate - especially when ISPs rotate your IP address.

It mentioned that I downloaded the following on Dec 11th:

1. Office 2016 Pro

2. Assassin's Creed Unity

3. Watchdogs

Not only is it completely inaccurate, no one used my internet on Dec 11th (which meant my IP was probably shuffled by my ISP to someone else).

This is one of the reasons why you should probably take all those DMCA notices with a pinch of salt...it's almost impossible to argue that you pirated in the first place.

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> it's almost impossible to argue that you pirated in the first place

Wouldn't the ISP be able to prove you were assigned that IP at that time of day?

Yup. ISP gets DMCA notice, notice says date and time and IP -- ISP absolutely capable of knowing which customer was assigned that IP at that time.

You can't really take DMCA notices with a "grain of salt". Many ISPs will just cut you as a customer after you get enough of them, as DMCA notices require effort on their part and the amount of effort their IT and legal staff spend dealing with other IT and legal staff looking for you quickly exceeds how much you are paying a month. So unless your area has an overabundance of ways to get internet to your home (in which case you must not live in America), you probably can't afford to have your ISP ban you from using their service.

I've gotten plenty. The most that's happened is Comcast injected a warning that refused to disappear into my http traffic until I called the list phone number.

After you do that, they basically forget all the notices (although the copyright holder can still sue you).

While I agree that DMCA notices have serious results, in general, it's very possible that someone hacked your network, or you don't have a password-protected wifi (all of which means you didn't torrent the content that they said you did).

Most copyright protection services, generally just grab thousands of IP addresses and send notices (without knowing who you really are). If you do respond, they'll then sue you if you refuse their exorbitant fine (along with countless others who did the same - as it's generally too expensive to sue just one person).

Unreliable Informants: IP Addresses, Digital Tips and Police Raids https://www.eff.org/wp/unreliable-informants-ip-addresses-di...

An IP address is not grounds for proof anymore. It's like saying every citizen is assigned their own IPV4 address, which is likely wrong, as more often than not an IPV4 address is shared by a pool of users.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrier-grade_NAT

    Carrier-grade NAT (CGN), also known as large-scale NAT (LSN),
    is an approach to IPv4 network design in which end sites,
    in particular residential networks,
    are configured with private network addresses that are translated
    to public IPv4 addresses by middlebox network address translator
    devices embedded in the network operator's network,
    permitting the sharing of small pools of public addresses among many end sites.
    This shifts the NAT function and configuration thereof from the customer premises to the Internet service provider network.

NAT is DEATH.

IPv6 all the things.

It says that I didn't torrent anything and I did... and my IP address doesn't change unless I change the MAC Address on my router which I haven't done in a little while.

Same experience here, the download (yup, singular) listed was not mine. Takes the point of this service away.. apart from seeing what illegal immoral awful crap people apparently download (somewhere.. unless its all completely made up) :/

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