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The FDA thing is an excuse. The FDA didn't shut down their product, they are lying.

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Oh yep you are right. That article seems to be completely misleading or lying about that.

https://twitter.com/walterdebrouwer/status/80910713363551436...

This appears to be the case. From one of the comments:

   Chuck Juhl 
   Contract Consultant/Analyst at C.W. Juhl Consulting

   I warned folks two years ago that Scanadu was a scamadu. 
   It's unlikely that the reason for the FDA action is 
   because Scanadu could not devise a secure method to 
   transmit data to a cell phone. Other consumer medical 
   devices with similar features have FDA approva already, 
   including the CheckMe device. It's more likely that 
   Scamadu was scamming the FDA as well with its faux 
   "usability" study. According to an FOIA request, the FDA 
   has no record of Scanadu submitting a 510k application 
   for the Scout or any other device.

   And as an aside, Scanadu did not make the final cut for 
   the X-Prize either.

Isn't the CheckMe just a vital signs monitor like you would find in any hospital? Ok, maybe it's a bit smaller and does a touch more (ECG). But I don't think it does as much the X-Prize "tricorders" are supposed to.

Point being, there's apparently no indication that the company even asked for FDA approval.

The GP's question is valid, though. Why does the FDA insist on shutting down or restricting services like 23AndMe when the worst case scenario for a service failure is that you get a false positive on a disease risk indicator (for which you're going to have to go to a real doctor to confirm anyway) or you think you're 1/8th Irish when you're actually 1/8th Welsh?

A false disease positive or negative can easily fuck up your life. Lots of follow-up tests are invasive or expensive and take time. The FDA is totally right to require high standards and premarket approval.

No one would give you invasive follow-up tests without getting a second genetic test. Doctors aren't stupid; they know that most positives are false positives.

The FDA's claim to jurisdiction (which I feel is BS) ... is that 23&me were providing "medical advice" or "diagnoses" by saying that you share genomes linked to x percent chance of Y ...

Am I missing something? 23&me were forced to validate their service with the FDA. They did and got passed. So they proved that their medical diagnosis are accurate.

I don't understand the hating on the FDA. It's better than having full-time quackery going on.

Edit: Here's an example. 23&Me tells you you're going to develop Alzheimer's. There's no test for that (before it develops), so you can't go to a doctor to validate it. Beyond the mental pain of living with this for years it's reasonable to assume some people would end their lives rather than be a burden to loved ones. But if they fucked up with their analysis and no one forced them to prove it?

Edit2: Also, exempt 23&me from FDA regulation? Why should your lab be regulated either? This isn't just a slippery-slope argument. I don't understand the argument to exempt 23&me.

Because 23&me are not providing a medical diagnoses. They never were. They are giving you what they calculate as your chances to to carry or possibly have or develop health issues based on their database of other people's dna ... they are showing statistical similarities and never claim to make diagnosis.. What does the FDA have to do with statistical analysis?

To most people, there is no difference between "your chances to to carry or possibly have or develop health issues" and a diagnosis. Sure, I suppose I can see some small technicality that makes them different, but really, the way you react to either is about the same, which makes them about the same.

But on the other side of the coin what if the person made life changes that reduced their chance for Alzheimer's and never succumbed to it? Shouldn't a person have access to that information if they want it? Why should the FDA not allow the gathering of information about your own genome?

The FDA does. 23&Me were just forced to validate the accuracy of their testing with the FDA.

Edit: wording

I'm aware of the legal basis. I mean, morally, why do we put up with the FDA killing services that don't have a direct health risk?

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