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What do you hate about iOS10? The new Messages app annoys me, but otherwise it seems fine.

I hate the control center. Its almost impossible to control the screen brightness. Whenever you try it, two-third of the time it takes me to the music control. It was something which was perfect in ios9. Atleast they could have given an option to choose if you don't want the separate music tab in the control center.

Health: The iPhone 5s+ automatically counts my steps anyway, so I started entering my weight and blood pressure every few days. It felt really satisyfing to look at the Health dashboard every day.

https://tctechcrunch2011.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/ios8-he...

In iOS 10, they've replaced the dashboard with huge colourful video thumbnails. It feels like a bad onboarding screen that just won't go away:

https://www.imore.com/sites/imore.com/files/styles/xlarge/pu...

I could probably buy (and trust!) third-party dashboards that use HealthKit. But instead I just stopped using Health. Chances of me getting an Apple Watch for health tracking: now zero, even if it was free.

Game Center: I'm aware that people hated the old and the new design, but Apple didn't kill it, they moved the invitations functionality into (gasp) a Messages mini-app. Syncing your game progress between iOS devices is a hodgepodge of Facebook, iCloud, Game Center, and most commonly, "not at all". That's not going to change if Apple cares so little about its own frameworks.

Messages is too busy now, there's too much going on in that app. It's a mess of sharing options and emoji.

Messages is an utterly perfect, textbook example of software bloat.

There are now so many garbage features, tangential to the core purpose of the app — self-deleting audio blips if you move the phone this way, internet GIF search if you swipe that way, weird drawing pad, stupid variable-location popup to add "HA HA HA" animation, recently-played music grid, full-screen-or-sometimes-not fingerpainting applet, image editor, heartbeat monitor, fucking kiss simulator (what the fuck), and I know from sorry experience (usually when trying to send a message with one hand while carrying something heavy and awkward) that there's more shit buried in here that I can't even figure out how to navigate to right now, like a signature editor — that I have had to help my dad, my wife, and my kids figure out how to get back to where send a fucking message with it, repeatedly.

You could use iOS 10 Messages to create a 6-episode TV miniseries called Software Design Gone Horribly Fucking Wrong and surely win an Emmy award for best documentary.

Yeah, I really wonder who's in charge of this mess.

Like I said somewhere else in this thread, all these new features are for Apple, not for users.

If they designed it for users, they would have NEVER made it so that they have to tap twice to take a photo before sending. Not to mention how they don't even allow you to open the camera as fullscreen.

Isn't it really ridiculous how nowadays when you want to take a quick picture and send it while messaging, you have to close the messages app, open the camera app, take the photo, and share it back to messages? Used to be: tap the camera button. Take the pic. Send.

Except you don't have to do that. If you need the full-screen camera, just swipe right from the smaller camera view. You'll get access to your full-screen camera and any previously taken photos/videos in your library.

Thanks for the tip. I guess this will make it slightly easier.

But my point is exactly this. How many taps did it used to take to quickly take a pic and send? One.

Now with iOS10, you tap the camera button, swipe to the right, and then tap the "real" camera button one more time. That's 3 times the number of gestures it used to take pre-iOS10.

p.s.

How did you even discover that swipe feature? I'm pretty sure most people have no idea that's how it works. I am an iOS developer so I'm not exactly a laggard, either.

It wasn't that difficult. There's an arrow on the left of the screen. The first time I tapped the arrow and nothing happened so I swiped and got the camera. People complain about discoverability but that's exactly the way discoverability works, I think.

I'm not seeing this. I can take and send a picture directly from the messages app. Perhaps you need to grant access to your camera?

Before iOS10, you could press the little camera button from the messages app and a camera would just launch. You take the pic, and send.

Now all you get is this tiny preview rectangle at the bottom. It doesn't launch a full camera so is useless for most cases. That's why I have to open the "real" camera app and take the picture and come back.

Next to the "tiny preview rectangle," there's a gray arrow indicator that suggests swiping right. If you do that, you'll find a button you can tap for the old functionality.

So now it's tap-swipe-tap instead of just tap, but in exchange the old functionality of sending an existing photo has changed from a long series of actions to just tap-tap-send.

Yes, the new Messages app annoys me.

A lot of the time it seems like Apple just changes things on iOS just because, not because there's actually any tangible benefits to doing so. The UI changes for Messages iOS 10 is a perfect example - it feels cramped and complicated where it used to feel intuitive and easy to use.

I think this time it's different.

In the past it may have been true. That's why a lot of people hated iOS7 just because it was different.

But Apple's recent updates are all bad because the root cause goes up to how Apple is trying to push their own agenda--they want to become the "Services" company, because the wall street thinks their device growth has stalled. For example their stickers is an attempt to monetize their user base with app purchases. They don't care that people would rather be able to take a photo and send with one tap, because they know users have no choice anyway.

But this is super short sighted, Apple's recent moves reminds me of how Windows lost significant size of their users with Vista and went downhill.

Messages is a terrible example of that. In fact what you are talking about makes absolutely no sense.

The reason the UI is designed this way is because they decided to cram 100 features in a space that simply can't accomodate it properly. Stickers, Apps, Photos, Animations etc all of that takes space.

Did you my point about it being complicated and cramped?

It seems like you're saying the same thing, so please, don't come at me with this "makes absolutely no sense" hyperbole.

In 1/10 cases, it takes me over 20 seconds to unlock my phone. The new "click twice to unlock" feature combined with apparently hard-to-detect fingerprints is really annoying.

You can change the setting back.

https://9to5mac.com/2016/09/14/ios-10-how-to-hate-pressing-t...

Wow, that is one hidden setting! Thanks!

You only have to click once because of raise to wake.

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