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I voted against Trump because I am afraid of what he might do to the environment (like appointing a climate change denier to office) and to our civil liberties (like appointing anti choice justices).

There are legitimately bigoted things that came from Trump supports and arguably Trump himself.

I don't understand this rising hatred towards "safe spaces", but maybe I don't think of them like you do. To me, I see a safe space as something like a home, where someone can relax and be themselves. Every single person should have access to a "safe space".

If your idea of a "safe space" is something different please let me know.

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Walk onto a college campus. This isn't about private property. This is about suppressing discussion because you disagree with it. That mentality is why identity politics is so bad. Instead of seeking out people that disagree with us, we're isolating ourselves both digitally and physically within our little tribes.

I'm pro-choice BTW, but it isn't a top issue compared to the others. Call me a bigot as much as you want, it won't change my vote.

>Instead of seeking out people that disagree with us, we're isolating ourselves both digitally and physically within our little tribes.

I completely agree that this is a huge issue, but many Trump supporters seem to fall right into this behavior as well, basically going "if it's not on Breitbart, it can't be true!". In fact, his whole campaign was engineered to convince people that everyone else is lying while only he tells it how it is (while framing his arguments with blatant lies left and right)

Your perception of Trump supporters is based on those you know personally? Where are you located?

If not, then have you considered that your perception might be influenced by mass media and your own echo chamber?

I live in Chicago and worked for the Progressives, so I feel pretty good about my lens. I also don't read any of that alt right garbage.

Edit: I would argue that the tribalism and unwillingness to listen is represented by small, but noisy, factions on both sides and that by and large people voted according to rational concerns. If we can purge those extremes from both our respective parties, we'd be better off and much happier.

I attended a private (nominally Christian) liberal arts college and I find that I do agree with you on the suppression of discussion that many people found disagreeable. That's a legitimate problem.

I was a member of a free thinkers group there and we were derided for being open atheists/antitheists on an "inclusive" campus. I think there should be places for open discussion that makes us uncomfortable especially on college campuses.

And while I do find demonizing people and shutting the door to conversation to be morally reprehensible, I find demonizing people and basing policy on such demonization to be worse.

I too hope that we can have conversations about controversial ideas (I hold many of them myself), but I don't think saying eliminating safe spaces is a way to accomplish that.

> Walk onto a college campus.

Ok, then what.

Head into a computer lab, and log on to HN.

Well, in your specific case, continue doing what you normally do and act surprised when the midterms come around and the left loses seats.

Cool how you think you know me.

How about in a general case then?

Your idea is just that - your idea.

Term safe space is being perverted by people who can't cope with feelings caused by reality of every day occasions - they're "triggered" for every thing they feel non happiness.

It's a direct result of being pampered from primary schools on with "everybody is a winner" trope. America is specially obsessed with happiness and if somehow someone is causing icky feelings, these people scream about "safe space" - it's what they've been let all these years anyway.

When a YALE student can't debate with a proper tone with the teacher: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6ZVEVufWFI

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