People like you disgust me. Stop acting like his words and actions don't matter.
You can't comment like this on HN, regardless of how right you are and how strongly you feel. Personal attacks in particular are not ok.
Comments need to get more civil as the topic grows more contentious, or else our hope of substantive discussion goes up in flames.
We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12911145 and marked it off-topic.
If you are going to attack this argument, then you might as well say it is unacceptable to call people who favor cutting off hands of thieves for barbaric. Sure you characterize people with a mean word "barbaric", but it you are not singling out particular people only those holding such views.
I don't know about 'online debate', but "People like you disgust me" is not acceptable on HN. Indeed it's well below the minimum acceptable, so this ought to be obvious.
I am so damn sick of people trying to wiggle out of the "racist" label.
Economic anxiety is not an excuse for racism.
Perhaps if you are so disgusted by half of the citizens in your country, you should seriously consider emigrating somewhere else, if that's truly an issue for you.
But I suspect, like most comments on the Internet, it's nothing more but empty posturing.
That may say more about black people than it says about Trump. Call me a racist - I dare you.
It's unrealistic to ask everyone to check primary sources. We don't have the time. It doesn't scale.
Also, there are people who don't trust court documents, or the courts, either. I think this issue of shared trusted sources is very real. Just dismissing sources reinforces this. How do you recommend we resolve this?
It's not workable to begin from first principles in every discussion, and to expect people to do so is unrealistic. I made no assertion that there is some wholly trustworthy new source, though I can understand why you might think so, given it seems like so many are just out to score some imaginary political points. I don't think there are any that are infallible. I do think we can usefully make judgements that some are better than others, at least within certain domains.
How about a news source that you trust regarding the topic at hand? (Any topic at hand. I'm uninterested in wading into discussions of racism at this point). If someone provides a source, and you choose to disregard it, do you feel no obligation to also provide some sources? At least they put forward some effort.
Are you willing to give people the benefit of the doubt when they're having a discussion with you? What's the alternative? How are we going to move forward? The vote was nearly evenly split on the presidential election. Looks like we need to find some common ground if we're going to get anything worthwhile done.
Given that you're engaged in this discussion, it seems to me that this is something you're concerned about as well. Do you think its useful to discuss difficult issues? How do we find common ground? What parts of what I've presented do you take issue with or think are unfair? What can be improved? I'm honestly interested, because as I've said, I think this is an important issue, particularly in light of the recent campaign and election.
Thanks for taking the time to read through this.
I can't answer all of your questions, but I believe most Americans are tired of being called, racist, sexist, homophobic, bigot, etc., when they take PAINS to avoid any personal racism or appearance of such. That is why Donald Trump just won the election. It's Americans saying we don't care what you call us any more, and we don't actually care to find common ground with people like you(and by you, I'm talking about cancerous Social Justice people).