> conflating what Trump said about immigration with what his supporters have said about immigration
Please find me a single example of this. I haven't heard a single republican ever complain about legal immigration.
Please find me a single example of this. I haven't heard a single republican ever complain about legal immigration.
I was answering someone who questioned whether there was even a single example of complaints about legal immigration.
And I personally have come across people that wanted to do much worse than deport legal immigrants.
John Derbyshire (http://www.unz.com/jderbyshire/orlando-paris-yorkshire-and-d...)
Steve Sailer (http://www.unz.com/isteve/will-the-zeroth-amendment-trump-th...)
Ann Coulter (author of Adios, America: The Left's Plan to Turn Our Country into a Third World Hellhole)
Pat Buchanan (http://buchanan.org/blog/immigration-time-out-163)
It's a pretty central issue right now.
No one at This American Life has any insight into what it means to be a blue collar worker worker.
Please don't hold me to a standard that was not requested. I don't believe there is any evidence that this was drawn out; as far as I can tell, many of the statements are simply recordings of town hall meetings.
I didn't mean to direct that at you, but rather the larger problem of blue collar workers being an out-group of discourse at the national level.
The kind of people that I know that actually voted for Trump could not care less about the color/religion of a person so long as they had a basic desire to assimilate. In other words; come to America to become an American not to make America like place you left.
Now we have an obligation to understand these Trump voters as generously as possible; or we can berate, belittle, and battle-harden them and get another Trump (or worse) in 8 years.
Is this likely to be reciprocated?
There will always be people who don't have the ability, capacity, wherewithal, or life experiences needed to see the bigger picture or recognize the need to put themselves in the shoes of others.
That leaves you with two options: fight "dirty" right back or deal with the reality and accept that you face an uphill battle.
Not in all cases. But you still have to pick your battles.
When faced with opposition you can negotiate or go to war. If you start a war, you'd better be ready to win, or else you stand to lose everything.
And you had better be ready for the moderates to side against you.
If you cannot understand them you cannot help them see why Trump is a bad idea.
It seems to me that you've dismissed them, having never thought to put yourself in their shoes; the shoes of the factory worker.
Michael Moore has friends that he likes, that he thinks are good people--not ignorant racists--that voted for Trump and instead of closing his mind to them he's tried to understand >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YY-CiPVo_NQ
Maybe you should too...
But to now extrapolate from that to imagining that 47% of Americans voted for Trump because they are xenophobic assholes is not going to be a winning strategy.
Stop talking about racism/xenophobia in relation to Trump's being elected. You cannot win the ~90% of Trump supporters by linking them with the ~10% of his supporters that are disgusting low lifes. You are distracting people from solving the problem.
Seems to me like you are disregarding my concerns in the same way you're accusing me of disregarding Trump supporters' concerns.
I am going beyond what I agree with. My statement is a strict super-set of your's.
Yes, Trump is a morally repugnant person. Yes, he has supporters that are as well. Yes, you should be concerned about both of those issues.
Now, while remaining concerned, let's talk; do you think lambasting 47% of voters--some of whom are (by your own admission) not intrinsically, categorically, irrecoverably, lost--is a good or bad strategy towards avoiding another Trump?
I also agree that lambasting all 47% is a bad idea. I never said that it was good; I just made a statement that a portion of those 47% are horrible people who are emboldened by Trump's demagoguery and will make life difficult for minorities like me (which, as you described is a subset of your statement). I made no comment describing the rest of your statement (perhaps you misread my initial reply to you as a blanket statement when it wasn't meant as such?) and I don't disagree with you on it. I would be very happy if we could find a way to make America work for everyone, rich or poor, white or coloured.
More accurately: comes from a compatible culture and shows an interest and willingness to assimilate.
In the "Five actions to restore security and the constitutional rule of law" section is this:
> FIFTH, suspend immigration from terror-prone regions where vetting cannot safely occur. All vetting of people coming into our country will be considered “extreme vetting.”