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The scare quotes are pretty condescending. How about removing them?

Condescending? Please explain why you see it like that.

When you go to a doctor, you expect that they completed training and are certified to practice medicine. It is the same for the engineering profession. Would you want to work in a high rise building that was designed and built some self-titled engineers who have never been appropriately trained?

> It is the same for the engineering profession.

In some countries it is that way. I know Canada is very strict about who can be called an engineer.

In the US, it is not that way. AFAIK, there's no legal definition of an engineer, and anybody can call themselves an engineer.

That's incorrect. In the US, you take the Engineer In Training (EIT) exam when you graduate university, then require 4 years of industry experience before you can sit the PE (Professional Engineer) exam. If you pass that, you can call yourself an Engineer.

But that's only for actual Engineering disciplines. We in software don't need to take an "Engineer" test for the same reason we don't need to take a "Rock Star" test or "Ninja" test. We use the title as a courtesy, not an indication of qualification.

> In the US, you take the Engineer In Training (EIT) exam when you graduate university, then require 4 years of industry experience before you can sit the PE (Professional Engineer) exam. If you pass that, you can call yourself an Engineer.

I believe you that this is the requirement for some fields of engineering. However, there are thousands of people reading HN with the job title 'software engineer' who did not take those exams.

What would you call someone who's self-taught and mentored in the typical engineering practices (construction, repairs, engines, etc)?

Why would some national laws about certifications prevent you from referring to such a person as an engineer?

For four years, my business cards read "engineering". As in, does engineering work but cannot sign off on documents and thus is not an Engineer.

I left for software before sitting the PE, so they'd read the same were I to return to doing Mechanical Engineering work.

But of course it's silly to stand on principal on such things, so I've never taken offense to anybody calling themselves whatever they like. If the janitor can be an engineer, certainly anybody else can too.

I imagine Architects feel the same way. And Cardiologists will as well, when we start appropriating their title.

You don't need a PE to call yourself an "engineer". Every working engineer calls himself an "engineer" on his resume. What you people are forgetting is the Industrial Exemption. Companies are allowed to call their employees engineers and use that word in their job titles because of the exemption.

The PE thing really only applies to stuff like civil engineering projects.

Well there are certifications and licenses for civil engineers. But not other forms of engineering, and 'engineer', unqualified, is not a protected word. In fact for the most part we don't really have protected words (1st amendment and all that).

"Doctor", "Professor", "Judge", etc.

I can call myself any of those things without getting into legal trouble. If the context is that I misrepresent myself to have credentials I do not, that could be a crime yes. But saying I'm a doctor, professor, or even judge doesn't automatically get me in trouble as it would in other countries.

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