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I think Docker can somewhat be seen as a generalized term like Linux. Linux doesn't write EXT4 but it is often referred to as "Linux filesystem".

Docker has been actively trying to become to household brand name for containers so it's difficult for me to give them a pass with your line of reasoning.

> Re Persistent Data: You are probably going to have a tough time if you try to do persistent data. Containers really excel at stateless tasks(or temporary state like caching). Certainly it's doable but for someone early in their adoption the proper toe in the water is probably the stateless business logic not the state layer.

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That is Dockers problem, they even want to be on Windows, I mean come on. But thats docker the company for you.

Can you blame them for wanting to break more into the Microsoft ecosystem? Besides, Docker's company mentality aligns pretty closely with a company like Microsoft, there's probably a lot for them to learn. A huge plus from a business perspective, but it's easy to see why it wouldn't sit well with open source advocates.

Yup I blame them for that. (I is freedom software advocate)

Not a company of good taste in my book.

I thought the whole Windows thing was totally stupid (I is also freedom software advocate). I've been a big fan of Docker for about three years, put loads of stuff into production at a handful of different companies, most recently using native Swarm features that came with 1.12. Personally, I thought the Windows thing was a gimmick. But what I see (as someone that has access to the Docker community through open source) is this enormous group of people who are chained to Windows technologies. And for years and years they've watched all the cool kids play with the cool toys, from the sideline. And what Docker-for-Windows has done -- with help from a new kind of Microsoft -- is expose all of these very eager people to containerization and microservices and open source and free software more generally. Having been exposed to loads of these people (and there are an enormous number of them), I think it means a lot of important things about bringing open source and free software into the fold for these people. Docker-for-Windows opens the door for a yuge number of developers to appease their enterprise leadership by sticking with the Microsoft brand, while also having the whole world of free software at their fingertips. I can see this world on the horizon in which open source and free software concepts have broken into the Microsoft ecosystem, and I believe it comes waving the Docker flag. I am still extremely suspicious of Microsoft as a company, and wouldn't pay for Windows if my life depended on it, but you can't say they aren't doing some interesting things over there at Microsoft lately.

There is time and resources spent on improving free and open source software, and then there is time and resources spent improving proprietary software for another business.

Pick one.

Now, that's not the reality even slightly.

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