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Now if only they'd deliver on the marketing talk about actually getting Opera v12 features into Chromera, or at least do the human thing of opening up the source of v12.

Till then, quite a few people will stick with v12 as main browser.

Also, beware: The browser part of the Opera company was sold to chinese malware producer Qihoo 360, after they failed to buy the entire company.

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The problem with sticking to 12 is that it's not really an option any more. You lose out on newer web technologies, and at least on Windows you run into security issues, since enabling newer TLS versions makes Opera prone to crash.

Incorrect. With these customizations you can make it very easy to open any page/link from inside Opera in any other browser:

https://gist.github.com/wchristian/9a479b6969ba653681f50b415...

It is in practice entirely viable to keep using Opera as the main browser and punt troublemakers to other browsers as necessary.

That it's easy to work around doesn't mean it's incorrect.

That aside, the SSL/TLS issues alone make it unusable. Changing the settings to make it use the newest TLS version it has support for makes it crash, and even if it did there are no updates at all any more. That means no security fixes, no support for new cipher suites, etc.

You said: "not an option anymore"

This is incorrect in various ways, if only because there exists at least one example of someone using it successfully as the main browser, while also being employed as a web dev: Me.

You're right; just not an option to most reasonable people.

Ah yes, ad hominem, the tool of choice for reasonable people.

I don't think you know what that means, and throwing the term around doesn't make you sound smart. I'm attacking your argument in that it is a ridiculous workaround for a problem that doesn't really exist.

Nah man, i know exactly what it means and what your game is. You're pretty sad. :)

Yeah... I guess my "game" is that I wouldn't use an outdated browser and rely on a plugin to avoid security bugs and sites that use modern features. What are you even talking about?

Primarily that you've sufficient lack of clue as to what you're even talking about that assuming I'm insane may in fact be healthiest for your machinery.

'troublemakers' as in, modern sites that v12 doesn't support? So now I have to use two browsers via a plugin? Yeah that sounds like solid UX there.

Didn't they announce they weren't going to add the v12 features back because the number of power users were so few? I swear there was a blog post about this a couple years ago.

edit: as for Quihoo 360: they may not be all bad. They seem to have a bunch of serious security researchers. Look at all the CVEs they've reported, like the most recent OpenSSL vuln.

Yeah, they had one of the most prominent old school devs talk about how they're going to maintain the values and they were working on lots of things to bring over, yet even years later they're still in not even a quarter of the way. They also talked a lot about how they spent real effort writing a new UI on top of the chrome core and how it was not just a chrome fork, and how the UI would allow them to do exciting things. And well. Look at it.

Vivaldi is better at being an Opera clone than Chromera ever was.

Re qihoo: Possibly. I have fairly bad memory so the details didn't stick around, but i remember fairly distinctly them distributing something that was straight-up malware.

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