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As much as I hate Trump, I'm kind of hoping for him to win. Fundamentally, I think that 4 years of Trump might be better than 8 years of Hillary. Also, if Hillary wins, the DNC won't have to change. If Trump wins, in 2020, they will be forced to nominate maybe someone like Sanders.

Trump winning will also really underscore how broken the US political system is and I'm hoping that him winning could be a catalyst for some change.

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I get the 'catalyst for change' argument, except that's not how it would work.

For one, Trump could do a huge amount of damage in four years - destroying peoples lives through taxation and repealing rights, destroying international relations, filling the supreme court with hard right wing candidates.

Not to mention the damage that would be done in terms of social norms. Trump getting elected is a massive signal to the right that it's OK to be racist, sexist, and trample other's beliefs, identities and cultures. Those people will be more vocal, which means more kids will get sucked up into that ideology.

Also, why would the left move left if Trump wins? The message there is someone as crazily far-right as Trump can get 50% of the vote. They'd move right, not left.

I honestly can't believe that anyone who supports Sanders - someone who is so strongly in favour of the things Trump intends to trample, and such a strong pragmatist, would want to follow a course of action that is so clearly shooting your own nose to spite your face.

You only need to look at Reagan or Bush 2 to see how long it takes to repair the damage of a very bad President. This sounds plausible in theory, but in reality it's totally reckless. We would be dealing with the consequences for decades.

I am tempted to respond to this and then I realize that I don't want HN to become yet another place for discussing partisan politics so I choose to hold my tongue (except for posting this sentence).

Four years of Trump would allow him / the GOP to appoint at least one SCOTUS justice. That alone is enough for me to vote against him.

See, that is the whole reason I vote for him. I cannot abide the thought of a liberal who has a hard-on for suppressing the 2nd Amendment and other integral parts of the Bill of Rights appointing at least two supreme court judges (RBD is in her 80s). I could hope that the GOP holds enough of a majority to block those appointments until the tide changes, as they have this year, but that is possibly akin to playing Russian roulette.

Is it more important than dead people in middle East.

I have been saying this for months.

I would prefer 4 more years on congressional deadlock to the dystopian nightmare that Hillary will unleash.

Force the DNC to address its shortcomings, and push a real progressive in the next election.

> dystopian nightmare that Hillary will unleash

What specifically will happen?

Expansion of the surveillance state, even less government transparency, more money in politics.

Not to mention her abysmal record on war, cyber security, election rigging, and media manipulation.

After 4 years of Trump we will have a country that is willing to acknowledge its mistakes, and two parties in disarray looking for fresh candidates to invigorate the masses.

After 8 years of Hillary we will have seen the trend of villifying the opposition reach its obvious conclusion.

If you don't toe the party line you are racist/sexist/actualHitler. I voted for Obama twice and I regularly get called a racist online because I don't support Hillary.

Hillary controls the media, is backed by all the money in the world, and is a war hawk.

What will happen is whatever she wants to happen, and I can't think of a single positive impact she has had on my life.

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