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"rump is grabbing votes from the labor faction more than any past Republican candidate -- his stance clearly taps into the American psyche, that American exceptionalism is real and that every American company should put American workers first. Jobs, jobs, jobs! is a great platform to run on."

Foreigners seem to butcher this point with the American exceptionalism BS. There's a simpler and more honest explanation: Americans think American government policies should favor creating American jobs over foreign ones. We lost hundreds of thousands to millions... who knows what current count is... of jobs to outsourcing by greedy businesses. Buying power and stability keep going down which sends ripple effects throughout the economy.

The Trump supports likely want the job security more than the belief that their uniquely perfect or something. I want it to even though I'm a Trump opponent. Incentives for this country should reward people in this country rather than destroy their future.

That is what I was getting at -- the American government should favor creating American jobs -- but I firmly believe the US is the greatest nation in the history of the world. Nobody else has achieved this level of scientific and technological advancement, not by a long shot, and I think it is a direct result of policies that hold America above all else.

The world may be ready for more supranational unions akin to the EU but it must occur under a framework where the consent of the governed is respected above all else, and I don't see that happening under a Clinton presidency and neither does Trump.

Part of it is long-term vs short-term thinking and planning. If you believe globalization will bring massive amounts of people out of poverty and into the market and that will result in more wealth bother overall and for Americans eventually, but at a cost of a reduced economic gain, or small economic regression, it may be a better strategy the focuses locally and has higher economic gain, but for a shorter period.

It's impossible to know for certain how each strategy would actually play out over time, since there are far to many variables, but those outcomes are how I see the different sides approaching it. Globalization isn't for the benefit of the poor of other countries, that's just a positive externality politicians talk up because it's an added incentive.

I agree the increasing anti-democratic policies of the liberal internationalists are very concerning. When this is coupled with contempt by elites for ordinary people it is a toxic environment that will breed extreme political reactions.

The democratic deficit springs more from impatience and haughtiness among government officials, than with an actual need to reduce democracy to achieve long-term good policies, I believe.

Do also consider the side effect of outsourcing, cheaper products for Americans. If some jobs are not outsourced our products will cost 30%-70% more. There are other benefits too. If everyone who is complaining about outsourcing is willing to pay that much extra then sure, stop all outsourcing. If not, then acknowledge that outsourcing has it's benefits.

That's fine with me. It worked in the past, too. Worst case is people buy less disposable stuff and aim for high ROI goods.

Even if outsourcing is banned, few jobs will return and most of them will go to educated robotics engineers, unless robots are also banned, at which point we might as well all pack up and move back to the caves.

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