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> even more unethical and sketchy

That's quite the stretch, and I'm even one of the commenters in your linked thread who used to work there. Gusto has made some mistakes on the employee equity side, but, with a few exceptions, it was a wonderful place to work.

it was a wonderful place to work.

Was that partly due to the debauchery or mostly because of it? Or was it just the tech and the stock options?

Note that he is referring to ZenPayroll/Gusto. I worked there as well, there was no debauchery. I think you're referencing the stories on Zenefits.

Can you expound on this claim please.

Fired a friend right before vesting cliff.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12222622

Relentless PR pushes, rebrands, etc.

http://paulgraham.com/submarine.html

That first link refers to a veto of an employee selling their stock; I can't find a reference to a firing before vesting cliff. Do you mean a different link?

he meant https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12222047

I wrote the first linked piece, was not fired and quit well after vesting.

Ahh...because it's personal

What makes Gusto "even more unethical and sketchy?"