Hating systemd is like hating Hillary Clinton at this point. It's well past time to suck it up and make peace with your next init system/President because the only viable alternative(s) are far worse.
Not only does your vote count, when it comes down to it, yours is the only vote that counts.
I feel like part of what people object to about systemd is the 'one true way to linux' thing.
... and still doesn't have functional centralised logging ability. People have to use dirty hacks to make it work. This is my current headache.
> ... and still doesn't have functional centralised logging ability. People have to use dirty hacks to make it work. This is my current headache.
What are those "dirty hacks"? You can trivially use logstash or similar or you can forward log entries to a remote syslog-compatible endpoint. Incidentally the same that people usually do with syslog.
You also have the option of creating something yourself if everyting sucks so much.
I'm hoping I was just trolled by an HN-flavored Markov Chain.
Since people learned the power of the metaphor.
> Do we "elect" a init system
For some distros? Sure. By its nature, Linux, GNU and the open source software that goes into the ecosystem allows people to create new distributions, or choose one of the many that exist. This choice is, in some small way, like a vote. If systemd was really that bad, enough people would work around it to make it's adoption much more problematic.
If you want more than that, some distributions literally vote on features like this, and have voted specifically on systemd[1].
> I cannot even begin to describe how silly your comment is. ... I'm hoping I was just trolled by an HN-flavored Markov Chain.
That doesn't seem very constructive.
1: https://lists.debian.org/debian-ctte/2014/02/msg00294.html
The most important point here is that distributions vote on which init system they elect. We are not all electing one init system to rule them all, across Linux. Distributions are nation-states of varying size that follow similar but sometimes incompatible rules, all derived from the same core tenets and program. So we're electing governors from the same political parties, more or less.
I think telling people to suck it up and just accept systemd as their one true init system is just silly. Regardless about how you feel about Clinton, there are always reasons to use something else.
If you need a barebones system, or something for experimentation, or something that is hardened at the price of flexibility, that is an applicable choice, and one you can make from the comfort of your own home. You can't fork the US or an individual state in the same way you can download a different distro to your Raspberry Pi.
And I could go on and on. But you're right; I suppose I could, in the end, begin to describe how silly that comment was. Even if the explanation ended up being really unwieldy and not my best writing. It might not have been wholly constructive either, but we're generally all here to have a good time.
My point is, it's a silly, leaky metaphor. And telling people to suck it up and use an actually useful tool in the comments for a distribution that's written as an elitist hobby project is similarly silly. These people aren't picketing your Debian or Arch systemd parties. They're just doing their own dang thing.
> You can't fork the US or an individual state in the same way you can download a different distro to your Raspberry Pi.
Well, you can (in that you can fork the rules and structures), it's just finding the resources (people and location) to make use of this new government is hard, because we are currently resource constrained. In the past, when land was plentiful, this happened. It happened to some extent with the Pilgrims (although it mostly a separation from the prior church, not the government, although I don't doubt it was also viewed as a partial separation from the government due to the distances involved). If we start colonizing Mars at some point, I'm pretty sure there will be some more separatist movements and forking of governments.
Another way to look at this is that you can fork the government right now, you just can't supercede the rights of the current government you are part of. To follow the resource and forking metaphor, you can virtualize governments to your heart's content, but in cases where your rules conflict with the host government, you can emulate the result but you can't enforce it. That is, Ring 0 doesn't care what you think you can do, the rules are the rules.
Debian selected it via an election.
the god damn stuff is everywhere and it doesn't need to be.