The main issue here is that people aren't worried about either of those problems :) otherwise Facebook, Google and other advertising companies would only have a handful of users.
> These are two very distinct issues and not everyone is concerned about both equally.
Divide and conquer... not. The issue is the same, we should fight together for more privacy, not disregard other people's reasons for requesting more privacy.
In any case, as you were replying to my previous comment, my point was that if the company has access to your data, Law Enforcement has got it too. Also if Law Enforcement has access to your data it means it wasn't also available for the company. Hence why one implies the other. You might be worried about one, but you've got two :)
It needs to be established as a human right.
I'm personally very disappointed to see the how good intentions of the aware subset of the citizenry are consistently channeled towards technical solutions to a problem that is fundamentally political.
At a meta-level, we saw the same (useless) dissipation of energies in the Occupy-x movement. And it should also be pointed out that the subtext of such approaches is de facto deligitimization of legal governance of societies and (speaking of "kings") establishing corporations as the arbitrators of social norms.
Get congress to pass a comprehensive privacy act and "Alphabets" (of the corporate and governmental variety) will have to toe the law of the land.
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It already is. Article 12 of the universal declaration of human rights:
No one shall be subjected to arbitrary interference with his privacy, family, home or correspondence, nor to attacks upon his honour and reputation. Everyone has the right to the protection of the law against such interference or attacks.
When marketers collect my personal info, it's far more likely to be distributed widely so I place a greater emphasis on protecting it from them. I don't like the fact that nation-states are spying on the citizenry, but I don't know what I can do about that. I DO know what to do about the surveillance capitalists.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Luther_King_Jr.#NSA_mon...
How do you know this is a fact, was a global survey done?
>I am more concerned about A than B" is not a claim that B does not exist, nor is it a claim that "I" am unconcerned about B.
Indeed, however the phrase "100% tinfoil hat mode" does imply being unconcerned about B, and that anyone who is is a lunatic.
Now, to be clear, by "people" I mean "humans" not "abstract sentients including AIs that don't yet exist", and by "concerns" I mean "things that are at least slightly negative to the thinker" and not "things that keep the thinker up at night wetting the bed and driving them to fits of existential madness", etc. etc.
Probably 'yes' for you, 'no' for him.
Sorry, but a random HN commenter is extremely unlikely to be targeted for the level of surveillance and treachery that Dr King was. If he feared it, he had good reason. If you are some random IT worker building the next smart pillow you cannot expect them to prioritize spying on you, that's all I'm saying. Mass surveillance isn't the same as targeted.
How many people here work for Google, Facebook, Apple, etc? What if you could compromise their workstations and get privileged access to the backend of social networks, email systems, etc? We are being actively hunted and there's evidence of that.
It's such a standard and effective method in human intelligence, that it's extremely naive to think an analogue wouldn't be used extensively in signals intelligence too.
Whether the culprits' organizational classification is public or private is of negligible importance.
>Mass surveillance isn't the same as targeted.
Mass surveillance is the first step in the discovery process, targeted surveillance is the second step after a target has been flagged by the dragnet.
A random IT worker building the next smart pillow has no reason to target you...but the creepy pervy sales manager at the same company might have reason to.
That isn't quite accurate. Your information is extremely valuable for identity thieves and for spammers and for running other scams. I guess you've never had your identity stolen or been harassed.