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It sounds like that might be a reaction to the lack of obvious repercussions of giving up privacy and security. What tangible harm does the average person come to by giving up privacy, security, and data ownership?

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I think it's more about immediate impact.

Will I be hurt today if I put my data on someone else's cloud? probably not. Will I 10 years from now? possibly, but by then, my brain will have disassociated those two.

You don't necessarily sacrifice those when choosing a third party. We all apparently work in related industries...do you and your colleagues sit around and dream up ways to exploit customers? I don't, nor do those I work with.

I don't think anyone does. Its rarely a thought-out malice. It's more of unexpected things that happen because no one thought or cared to safeguard against that, or because such safeguards would've broken some legit feature or business model.

Like that E2E vs spam filtering issue explaination from GMail engineers.

Somebody does, apparently, otherwise business models would be much more straightforward. I worked in a social media marketing, "let's take an EU grant and spin off random shitty SaaS to bolster our marketing platform" company. I could see people in charge inventing new and great ideas for "bringing in value" without noticing (in any apparent way) that those ideas were mostly literally shitting on the users to make a quick buck. Reality distortion field? Sociopathic tendencies? Call it what you want, but it does happen, and that's where most of the "brilliant" business models come from.

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