People in this thread are talking about the "bullshit" of existing cars and how the AppleCar will be a "come to Jesus" moment.

Pointing to revenue as proof of success is a bad metric here. Great, the App and Mac App Store make lots of money, not the least because one of them is the only way for anyone to make revenue from iOS.

No-one could point to MAS, for example, and pretend with a straight face that it's a "service done right" for anyone except Apple's bottom line.