After 20 years or so of being a smoker, I just decided I didn't want to be embarrassed about the way I smelled in elevators anymore, and quit. I was a competitive cyclist, despite being a smoker, so it wasn't helping me in those social situations either.
When I did stop, it was hard for about a single day. Irritation and not being sure what to do with your hands are the biggest "withdrawal" symptoms you'll have from quitting. If I'd known just how easy it is to stop, I would have 10 years prior.
So yes, listen to the above poster. It won't kill you to quit, it will kill you not to. If you honestly think you can't, it's a very simple problem to solve. There are really only three components to quitting. Nicotine addiction (easy to taper off with substitutes like gums, switching to vaping with decrementing nicotine levels, etc), Habit (the act of smoking, vaping/e-cigarettes/gum chewing/going on walks instead can help replace this) and the social pressure, which is usually smoking with your smoker friends or partner. Fun fact, they all want to stop too, even if they don't say so. Get them to quit with you, and if one or more refuse or abandon, ignore them and be selfish with your health.
All that said - the "pain" of cold turkey lasts a day and all the anecdata that I've collected seems to make it the most effective way to stop.
The other partner tried everything. Cold turkey, gradual reduction, patches, gum, change of location plus each of those, the works. As you can imagine given the domestic situation, she had exactly the right kind of support. None of it helped for over a decade. She was finally able to quit for good around 2010, and just a month later discovered that it was too late. Smoking had already given her the cancer that would end her life.
That said, this story kind of agrees with you. The partner who quit is still alive, and quite healthy. It might be easy, or it might be the hardest thing you've ever done. No matter how hard it is, though, lung cancer is even harder.
We have tobacco companies still cranking out the same garbage, almost with the attitude that they are forced to keep making this horrific product because people are hooked on it. They keep taking our money, apologetically, as they kill us.
I smoked less than 3 packs of cigarettes in my life, stopped 15 years ago, and I still get cravings. Alcohol on the other hand has zero pull for me.
I stopped 6 years ago and have zero cravings. But I am curious how you define "cravings". Is it a physical sensation? Is it a mental "pull" when you see someone light one up?
Smoking is easy to quit for most people, and ridiculously hard for most smokers. When I was 17-20 50% of my friends smoked cigarettes and 80% of my friends quit by the time they were out of college a year or two without any problems. The remaining 20% of my friends couldn't quit for the world. They've tried quitting 20 different ways and never succeeded. I think the difference is some people are just wired for quitting smoking to be hard, but most people aren't. And the former population is way over represented among the smoking population.
So with that I can say: the pain of quitting doesn't last only a day, it's good you didn't experience depression, I never had depression before or after that but I was clinically depressed for 3 weeks, I was apathetic about life in general, would wake up and not feel motivation to do anything, I'd do them anyway because it was a routine (eat, shower, work) but I really felt I'd never be happy as I was before.
It began to fade after the first week, during the second week I'd still feel urges to have a cigarette after a coffee or lunch, or just when I was bored. Third week was easier and by the end of the first month I was over the initial withdrawal symptoms.
But again: it's not "just a day", it's not really "omg, this is so easy, I'm over it". I had to constantly remind myself to NEVER had a drag, I got drunk during the third week and it was a pretty good feeling to deny a cigarette a friend wanted to share.
I was a 2 pack a day smoker during the last year of smoking, that might have impacted how much the withdrawal symptoms lasted or how strong they were.
It's on of the best things I've done in life, it also gave me a huge boost of confidence to do other stuff, my mindset nowadays is "I quit smoking cold turkey, I can do almost anything when I commit to".
Part of it may be that because of the whole bike racing thing, I had had several occasions where I'd been through weekend long periods I couldn't really get to smoke, or had to make due with patches or gums. I would also immediately light up when I got away from those friends. Those times, I'd also tried white-knuckling through weekends, been just as irritable, but it kept going for days like you said. When I mentally made the switch to not smoking anymore though, it was different, much easier than those 3 day weekends ever were.
I've heard lots of people say the same thing to me, once you do it, you know it's done. You're not just holding off for a few days or seeing how long you can go, you're just mentally done with it. Or maybe I just tricked myself and it worked. :)
Also, nicotine has the highest capture rates of any drug (over 30%) and the third highest dependence rate (after heroin and cocaine). Startup founders with unbelievable amounts of determination may be able to just give it up and say it was "easy" (I said the same thing the first time I quit) but many people are not so gifted.
A critical mass was reached in the 2000s, though, and now the bulk of social pressure is on helping people quit and stay quit. Frequently it's the smoker who will be alone in the cold on their smoke break. & besides, we have effective smoking cessation drugs like Chantix (how my wife quit).
I once stopped smoking for ~3 weeks and I too found it easier than advertised, but not nearly as easy as you; also, the most problematic symptom for me was irritability (I was a complete irrascible bastard while stopping). And I know people for which it is very, very hard (cold sweats, migraines, etc. for two weeks).
After that, it's all habit. That takes closer to 3 weeks to break. Here I find it helps to create another habit, maybe buy a bunch of candy and eat one when you feel like a cigarette.
It's all very doable.
Best way I found to get over those 3 days is to be sick, drunk, hungover or all of those, coinciding with a strong urge to quit and running out of tobacco (or throwing it out) at the start of it.
And it's not easy. But it might be for some. But I wonder if the ones that can quit really easily are really the ones that need all this anti-smoking advertising, anyway? I mean they can just have a moment of clarity, realize the health risks and quit. Well good on you (I mean it). I'm glad there is all this negative pressure nowadays, means I will have to say "no" less often, and feel supported by it.
And even though I feel quitting is hard for me (compared to people who can smoke once every two months or so, or maybe never, just like that), when I hear these stories about people having physical withdrawal symptoms for weeks, that sucks, I feel for them and wish them strength too.
On the plus side:
1. I quit and stayed quit.
2. I'm mostly back to my old self. No more depression or panic attacks. Not now, and never again!
3. The whole experience cost me so much that I doubt I'll feel much temptation to use nicotine ever again.
When I changed my mindset to more of a "I just don't really smoke anymore." it was ok to have one every once in a while when I was out with friends and not feel like I failed. Now I'm basically down to only one cigarette a year or two when I'm with old friends, and I usually feel bad enough in the morning after it that I don't really have any desire to smoke again for a long time.
I'm glad it works like this for you, though :)
It was enough to keep me dedicated knowing I could confidently talk to anyone after I quit without having to wonder if they were immediately put off by my smell.
People who still smoke always complain that ex-smokers are the worst and most judgmental about smoking, and it's 100% true. It's because we feel seriously ashamed of ourselves for being so stupid for so long, it comes out as assholishness sometimes.
I dunno, they might need to get close and smell the breath, the smell of cigarettes to this day (from a distance) still makes me crave one, ever so slightly. Even after having quit 13 years ago (I quit in 2003). The only off-putting smell is in ashtrays or their breath/clothing. The actual burning smell though, that gets me to this day.
If you sell cigarettes and a customer looses part of the lung, you pay or behave to prevent. If you sell alcohol and a customer drives a car in a crowd, you pay or behave to prevent. If you are a narco and sell crack, you pay for the results. The problem is not the unknown problems with those substances, its the fact that the producers are detached from the consequences of their actions.
Should Hershey be required to pay medical costs for morbidly obese individuals because they eat a dozen chocolate bars a day? Sugar is a highly addictive substance, after all.
Should automobile manufacturers be required to pay the medical bills of every individual injured in a high-speed accident because driving very fast generally causes an adrenaline rush, which is addictive?
Stop making it someone else's problem. Start casting blame where it needs to be - on the individual(s).
Nobody is forced to start smoking, or start drinking, or start eating sweets, or drive recklessly, or to do this or that. I'm tired of the popular trend of infantilization that offloads the burden of one's own actions onto society/industry/government.
I think it would be a great start if we started to differentiate- some humans are capeable of this, but others are not. To just leave them to there suffering because they had a "choosing-chance" is just wrong. No pr-opaganda can explain the facts on the ground away, sorry.
As far as "leaving them to suffer" goes, there are plenty of ways for people to get help with just about every health condition and disorder that's lifestyle related. They simply require that the individual actually take responsibility for their own existence and reach out.
Who makes the decision that someone is "not capable" of caring for themselves, and at what level? Do you force them into a special program? Do you take away all of their other individual rights at the same time? Who decides what aspects of personal responsibility apply to which people? That's a very slippery, dangerous slope to tread. Smarter people than you, or I, haven't been able to come up with "the right" answer.
I'll err on the side of personal agency, thanks.
You are introducing irrelevant other ideas to distract from the core of the OP's argument, which while a bit excessive IMO, warrants an honest discussion, not hyperbolic overreaction.
The world you seem to desire would make cellphone manufacturers and service providers fully liable for accidents that happen when an idiot is using their phone and gets in a car wreck.
The individual chose to get into a car, and drive somewhere, and use a cellphone, all at the same time. This despite the fact that it is made abundantly clear that doing so impairs driving ability much like alcohol would, via advertisement and public notice and safety publications, in the news, and even by state law in some cases. You cannot prevent people from doing stupid things. You can, however, make them bear the repercussions of those stupid decisions.
The world you seem to desire is one where every device and tool is covered in thick layers of bubble wrap and warning labels and dozen-pages-thick usage contracts to indemnify the manufacturer.
The world you seem to desire is one where no criminal is punished for their actions because they were just "a victim of their environment and don't know how to do anything else".
And that is something that I cannot and will not agree with, ever, on a fundamental level. Personal freedom comes with personal responsibility.
If there's a tool designed in such a way that using it in an accidentally-slightly-incorrect manner will electrocute the person using it - sure, hold the manufacturer responsible.
But if there's a tool that does exactly what it's designed to do, but someone uses it for a completely different purpose in a completely different way than it was designed to do, and it electrocutes them - that's on the user's head.
Those are your words, my friend. Maybe I misinterpreted them. I didn't say individuals are 0% responsible. It's a mix, right?. Individuals deserve blame but also support. Companies deserve protection from inane lawsuits but also bear some responsibility.
> But if there's a tool that does exactly what it's designed to do, but someone uses it for a completely different purpose in a completely different way than it was designed to do, and it electrocutes them - that's on the user's head.
Sure. That doesn't apply to tobacco or sugar. We're using it in exactly the way the sellers intended. I don't know why you're stuck on the reckless driving example, when it doesn't really pertain to the general context of the article.
> I'm tired of the popular trend of infantilization that offloads the burden of one's own actions onto society/industry/government.
Sure. But my question stands. Do you think the society/industry/government ever bears >0% of the responsibility?
Moderate tobacco use, in some forms, moderately increases cancer risk. Moderate sugar consumption doesn't overtly increase the risk of heart disease or obesity.
Overuse of most tobacco products dramatically increases your cancer risk, just as overuse of sugar dramatically increases its associated risks.
My point stands that nobody is forcing you to start smoking tobacco or eating large volumes of sugar. Why do you want to push all of the responsibility away from someone who willingly undertakes an optional activity with known risks?
It's not like every widely-available tobacco product hasn't had 50% or more of its packaging plastered with "warning, cancer!" labels for the last 30-odd years.
Should tobacco companies be held responsible for objectively-false advertising and marketing? Yeah, if memory serves they got beat up pretty well for that by the government many years ago. When was the last time you saw an ad for cigarettes on TV? It's been quite a long time since I have. That problem has already been taken care of.
With sugars you might be able to make an argument about a lack of in-your-face warnings - but why should those be required? Moderate consumption is fine. Excessive consumption is where the problem starts kicking in. Various government entities are already kicking up a stink about sugar-heavy products, so I wouldn't be surprised if we got such warning labels in the future anyway.
Where did I say or even imply that? I just said it's less than 100% – but more 0%. You're obviously quite passionate and/or angry about something, some injustice you've seen or something. I feel like we're talking past each other and you want to have an argument just for the sake of arguing on the Internet. I'm not super interested in that.
I hope you have a wonderful rest of the day. Maybe we'll meet in person one day and debate the issue in a higher bandwidth medium. Cheers.
I program Robots for a living, and you know what - im guilty of those peoples lives going to hell when they are let go. They are not guilty that they can not retrain at 40. They are not to blame that there endurance might not be high enough to get a degree. Its also not the CEO who employs me to do my job, which i just do. I could quit my job anytime. Im guilty and thus must work hard, to even that guilt out. I try my best to promote basic income and unshaming unemployment in my home country. Individual responsibility, suddenly sounds less happy, does it? Sounds like hard work and shame.
You arguments sounds suspiciously like shirking responsibility's by idealizing other people. Imagine if a whole society would do that, what a catastrophe, could you even call that a society anymore?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tobacco_Master_Settlement_Agre...
Good luck to you!
Get bikes please people.
I believe in tested e-cigarettes and liquids to cut a chunk of chemicals. I wonder what other people do. Kick their ass into sport ? Reorganizing life ? more hobbies, more social life, more zen ?