It certainly wouldn't be perfect at first. I'm sure some people would suffer from the mistakes made in the prototyping phase.
But this isn't about Brexit. The question I believe will be answered is would someone living in an already failed state suffer worse with an augmented or fully automated administrator, or under current horror of war, starvation, fear? Civil wars start over ideological differences, political failures are the result of corruptions of government officials, power plays of individuals, mistakes of management. Nations split and crumble against the best interest of the people because leaders have human agendas. The cold impartiality of software takes the politics out of governance, it favors sustainability over the long term.
We in the tech world see things from a position of privilege, protected by relative wealth, a large seemingly stable system of governance, but in many places in the world a new system of administration would be a gift to cherish.
The role of technology is to help is increase the positive aspects of whatever point along that spectrum we've settled, and decrease the negative aspects. For example, making it very easy for representatives to quickly and accurately poll their constituents (and making these polls and their results public) rather than relying on lobbying and the varying abilities of special interest groups to activate advocates would probably yield much better representation for the average person. A very vocal 2% should not drown out the other 98%, but they should not necessarily be ingored either. Good polls would likely have a question and a scale of how much you strongly agree, somewhat agree, abstain, somewhat disagree, strongly disagree, and have the question asked at least 2-3 different ways, from different perspectives.
That's why software makes it possible. Large scale polling systems are well understood at this point. Abuse detection is a solved problem, correcting for bias is well understood too. Giving people access to information, while at the poll, will increase the number of truly informed constituents when voting.
This doesn't completely reinforce my point, but if you're interested in the topic it's worth the listen: http://www.flashforwardpod.com/2016/04/19/episode-11-swipe-r...
What about the bias introduced from the initiative name and/or description?[1] Who decides this? Who writes the laws that are proposed by initiatives? What if there's no counter side to a law proposed, or it's very complex, and hard to understand? Right now we have people whose job it is to keep track of these laws, make sure small provisions don't overstep, and come to an agreement on what should be acceptable to vote one. We elect those people (or we elect the people that employ and control those people). Who does this in a direct democracy? Do we still elect officials, and they do everything except they don't vote?
> Giving people access to information, while at the poll, will increase the number of truly informed constituents when voting.
If we have a direct democracy, there will be a lot more initiatives. 15 things every day, if we are keeping up with congress, according to to the flashforward link you supplied (thanks, I'm listening to it in the background right now). Looking up all the relevant information for each initiative to make an informed decision will take quite a while. Assuming a minimum of 15 minutes per item to research and consider each item, that's close to four hours, each day. Even halving that is a significant time investment. I think people will naturally defer to authorities they suggest. There's even less incentive for the random authorities people might choose to be accountable for their speech, and I'm also quite worried that people would choose non-qualified people for their queues on what to vote for very poor reasons (pick your Kardashian or their relation). If we want to defer to someone for our vote, why not our elected official?
What I think would be interesting, was a way to wrest my vote from my representative on a by-vote basis. That is, we all get a chance to have a direct vote, but if we don't, our share goes to our representative. For example, if I'm in CA, and my senators are voting on a bill, and I vote specifically a certain way, then their votes count for (CA vote eligible population -1)(CA vote eligible population) each, and my vote counts for 2/(CA vote eligible population), one for each senator, and assuming nobody else votes directly. For important issues, we can wrest control from our legislators, but otherwise the system will perform as it has. I'm still not entirely sure it would be a good idea given our predisposition as a species for poor judgement in certain situations, but I think it's a lot more feasible than a direct democracy on everything (and it keeps people around to design and present bills, and still incentivizes them to do so).
1: http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2009/dec/10/states-ballot-l...
> What I think would be interesting, was a way to wrest my vote from my representative on a by-vote basis. That is, we all get a chance to have a direct vote, but if we don't, our share goes to our representative.
That's a very clever idea. I like that a lot.
To this second block, here's my brainstorm on how it could work - it's possible to counter the potential fatigue by clustering the vote in tiered node cluster groups.
Let's say we made the smallest vote cluster maybe 150 people at any given point, and we'll distribute these groups evenly by geography and population density (adjusted in realtime as demographics shift). The group is politically neutral - assigned based on political sentiment (not party affiliation) using a set of simple surveys and voting behavior so there is an even representation of the political voices in each sample. This is collected with voter registration, or after non-participation for X time period.
Anyone can log in and vote on any legislation they chose each day but the cluster always stays neutral. We apply abuse detection to detect if the cluster is being stuffed or gerrymandered in some way, and the software rejects and reorgs a cluster when abuse is detected. If someone suffers voter intimidation or outside influence they simply report abuse and the system identifies their cluster for review.
Take that model and scale it up, each cluster node is part of a larger node. The vote from each node counts as a whole for that node. If the system needs an extra human layer in a node to recount a vote, it can get swapped with no consequences to other nodes. One node fails, the vote is rerouted elsewhere.
The question really comes down to the participation rate. In social network systems this is best solved with physical rewards at first and later with social rewards. Same can be applied. If nodes get low voter participation, they trigger an automatic vote reward system. Some will try to game the system to get the rewards, pick random answers. This will trigger fraud detection by inserting control questions, honeypots.
Anyhow it's all doable just a matter of prototyping and iterating in a test environment. And the political willpower to implement it.
Probably wouldn't become reality in our lifetimes, at least at the national level, but a fun thought exercise nonetheless
That's an interesting thought, but I have to wonder how resilient they really are to manipulation. I think it's a matter of expected return on investment. As of right now, there is really very little usefulness to gaming the moderation system in these sites. You get internet points, but those points are worth very little (reputation within that system only, really). If internet points could be traded and had some market where they could be monetized, we might have stories about how it's much harder to keep things from being gamed. The closest we probably have to this is Twitter and followers. I'm fairly certain there are companies that sell followers by tricking people into following. It doesn't conceptually map to moderation exactly, so it's a stretched comparison at best, but I think it should cause concern.
Additionally, the idea that a foreign power could game, or outright hack, either the law moderation or the voting itself, is fairly worrisome. I'm not too worried about millions of foreign agents showing up to skew an election, or the buying of enough legislators being persuaded to vote a specific direction to significantly affect us (it might change the outcome of a vote, but it would have to have significant support anyways, legislators rotate out of office, and it only takes one to talk for it to all fall down).
> The group is politically neutral - assigned based on political sentiment (not party affiliation)
> The vote from each node counts as a whole for that node.
Does that mean each group ends up with one "vote", sort of like the electoral college, but more direct? If so, I really don't think we want it to be forced to be neutral. Any smoothing you do might end up having odd unintended consequences.
> Anyhow it's all doable just a matter of prototyping and iterating in a test environment. And the political willpower to implement it. Probably wouldn't become reality in our lifetimes, at least at the national level
Indeed. It has to be made as constitutional amendments, which requires a two-thirds majority vote by people that would be voting away their own power and authority, and weakening a system that they generally buy into as working (thus their current position). That is to say, not very likely.
> but a fun thought exercise nonetheless
Yes it is! To be clear, if we could find ways to mitigate a lot of our current technological and psychological shortcomings, it would be very interesting to implement. As it stands right now, I have serious misgivings about the ability of the average citizen to make informed decisions on the scale required, the ability of the population as a whole to sanely assess issues, the functionality of the social constructs required, and the technology involved. Multiple decades in the future, that may be a different story. Then again, maybe buy that time some nations will have less cohesive identities, and we'll have free-floating blocks of political identities with exert more or less power based on the issue, and people will generally have membership in multiple of those, and those will be the guiding and warring force in politics that craft the majority of the laws and individuals then vote on.
The hope is to align buisness in such a way that comapanies work together to promote quality and interoperability. Needing government to set standards and regulation is just too slow.
> The hope is to align buisness in such a way that comapanies work together to promote quality and interoperability. Needing government to set standards and regulation is just too slow.
The only way people and companies are able to interact with other people and companies on any basis that requires future action is because the laws regulate exactly what is expected under certain circumstances. Two parties can agree on whatever they want, but without an impartial third party to review violations in their agreement, enforce penalties, and rule on new situations, this breaks down. I don't think we've seen the last of the cases regarding commerce that requires high level legal review, so I don't think we're done with lawmakers.