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You know what? Some of us are sick of regulations from Brussels, of unelected bureaucracy, of CE Marks of approval, of socialism, of rampant immigration, of refugees, of Russian prostitutes, of Polish kielbasa shops in London, of feeling like foreigners in our own land.

And we might not be in the minority anymore.

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This is such a bad HN comment and so blatant a violation of the site guidelines that we'd normally ban the account that posted it, but I hate to ban accounts that people have had for years. If you post anything like this again, though, we will ban you. Civil and substantive comments from now on, please, or none at all.

Edit: I just noticed how many other inflammatory comments you've posted to this site against its rules. Please don't do that any more.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

You've been pretty busy moderating the past few hours I imagine, I hope it doesn't wear you out or make you think about quitting. I guess one can be glad I no longer moderate any discussion forums: if I was the moderator, this whole submission would be nuked well before it got to even 100 totally useless comments, for my own benefit and desire of laziness and for the health of the community. Well, I flagged, but I felt like bringing it up more directly on an already unlinked thread for the off chance when things quiet down you can link me to (if you've written one) a reason why HN governance sees fit to very frequently ignore what I find the key guideline to HN off-topic: "If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-topic."

As pg once put it, "Note those words most and probably". (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4922426)

This is an obviously historic event, it's worth discussing if we can keep the discussion from becoming too vitriolic, and experience has shown that when something like this happens, there's no keeping it off HN anyhow.

I just hope the discussion doesn't degrade too hopelessly over the next few hours, because it's too late to keep doing this over here.

> of unelected bureaucracy

You mean the house of lords? It stays even without EU ;)

It's a revising chamber ( - can extend discussion on difficult issues) whose decisions can be ultimately overridden by the House of Commons. There are many problems with the way it's populated but it's hardly in the same category as an institution as byzantine and undemocratic as the EU.

Out of curiosity, does the UK have a rules making bureocracy and is it elected? I guessed that any country with a long enough history has agencies and departments that do more or less what they want because they survive through different governments. I concede that the EU case is special because it's one layer more remote from citizens, by design because national governments don't want to surrender their authority to a central one. There is a big difference between Washington and Brussels but, to be fair, also between Europe and the USA. Europe is not one nation.

The country is run by the Civil Service which is directed by the Cabinet, which is appointed by the Prime Minister.

So while the Civil Service is run by permanent employees they are basically at the whim of whoever happens to be in power at the time.

To say nothing of the unelected German head of state!

I am so sorry to hear that you feel sick about refugees (among others). Maybe it's better that you leave the EU after all.

If you don't want the Russian prostitutes, i'll be happy to take them.

I bagsie the Polish kielbasa

Nice xenophobia dude.

> Polish kielbasa shops in London

Why do you need separate shops for kielbasa? Here in the US east coast, kielbasa is sold in normal supermarkets along with other sausages.

Yeah, leaving the EU is totally going to unseat socialism in the UK and remove the unelected bureaucracy that Yes, Minister made so famous in the early '80s...

... and I'm not sure how Brexit will affect the Russian-ness of the UK's prostitutes, give that Russia is not part of the EU, EEC, Schengen, or even EFTA...

At least this has helped everyone identify the racists among them. Leaving might be perfectly fine, it just brought out the worst of people too.

I'm not British so I can't comment directly, but I find it troubling that "leave" supporters are being broadly labeled as racist. Why should UK citizens be forced to allow Brussels to change the demographics of their country?

Before you vote me down, you should know I'be had to change countries twice and have been of the receiving end of some nasty nationalism (mostly in the EU ironically, almost none in the US).

I heard a quote the other day along the lines of "not all those that are voting leave are racists, but all racists are voting leave". Subjectively speaking, I've largely found this to be true.

Voting leave will not change the type of immigration we have in UK.

Any immigration schemes proposed by LEAVE would probably see a rise, not fall, in immigration.

This is one example of the dishonesty of leave campaign.

Diversity vs homogeneity is a preference. Neither is morally superior.

Xenophobic would be more accurate.

And apparently anti-sex worker.

And sausages.

don't use the racism card so flippantly.

you're just implying there's no good reason for brits to vote to leave other than racism which is clearly bs.

So the original comment in this post chain wasn't racist? Okay.

Yeah, millions of racists. Just because we are sick of Polish kielbasa shops in London.

That's what it sounds like. I mean, if you raised the issue of different rules for shops, vegan ideas, of anything else, then we could think you have issues with actual politics. But you only mentioned the Polish and sausage components. And I since you didn't mention British butcher shops... (same with Russian prostitutes)

So, your argument against charges of racism is that you voted to leave the EU simply because you felt there were too many kielbasa places in London?!? Kind of an overreaction, don't you think?

Of all things you could be angry about, you are upset that you can buy Polish sausages in London? Really?

(...Poe's law strikes back...)

We are also anti-CE Mark racists.

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