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Hi Alan,

You've been involved in visual programming environments like GRAIL and Etoys for kids. What do you think of the current state of visual programming for both kids and adults?

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I wasn't involved in GRAIL, but was (and am) a huge admirer of what these people were able to do (and when they were able to do it). Worth really looking into the history here!

The current state of programming (visual or not) for children and adults is not good enough.

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