A month ago Vivaldi's CEO did a reddit AMA, with tons of questions and answers:
https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/4ebgom/iama_jon_von_t...
https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/4ebgom/iama_jon_von_t...
Okay, I have to question this. Why is a browser vendor spending precious time and money adding a mailbox to their browser?
I used Vivaldi a little bit ago during the beta/1.0 period for a few months—at that time at least, the UX needed more polish and there were bugs and usability issues that were daily pain points.
So I find this it concerning that they're building a mail client. They already have a browser and I already have a mail client. Why take developers off of working on the browser to provide me with a new mail client? It gives me the impression that this is fundamental to their strategy for building their browser UX—constant integration. What does this say about the future of Vivaldi development? I think I'd rather have a flexible UI that works for whatever I'm doing—NOT a bunch of integrations to various workflow points, some of which I really want and others I couldn't care for.
As if you did not already have the ability to put a mail client on your sidebar in Vivaldi. Using web panels, you can pin the email provider of your choice to an icon and open it in a sidebar at any point you like.
Opera Mail and Thunderbird were good free email clients, but now discontinued.
What options are there (PC)? Outlook, Windows 10 Mail, Windows Live Mail/Outlook Express, Thunderbird, IBM Notes, OSX Mail.
Ideally, I would like an email client that is as powerful as Outlook, has the UI of Google mail (especially the conversation view), has superb IMAP support, runs on my PC and stores all emails on disk. What's disappointing is that many email clients still have no conversation view (or a broken one like Outlook), just a "sent" and "inbox" folder, and this in 2016.
* Canary: http://canarymail.io (in beta)
* Airmail: http://airmailapp.com
* Polymail: https://polymail.io (in beta and currently Google-only, ironically, given its name)
* CloudMagic: https://cloudmagic.com
* Postbox: https://www.postbox-inc.com
(Not free, but $20 is pretty cheap.)
http://www.softwarecrew.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/postb...
The killer app for me is the Postbox 4 feature to file a message in a folder just by pressing the V keyboard shortcut. Postbox then shows an Alfred/Spotlight-like "quick bar" with autocomplete - so just by typing "V GER" I can file an email in my "German Lessons" subfolder without ever taking my hands off the keyboard. They have a similar feature for automatically entering responses with a couple of keystrokes:
https://www.postbox-inc.com/blog/entry/postbox-4-quick-bar
(I also like that Postbox prompts if it detects the word "attached" and you forget to add the attachment, but I assume most email clients have that now.)
- Expression search addon to filter/search the inbox.
- Nostalgy addon for moving mail (and navigating the mailbox only with the keyboard). This addon is basically required for serious usage. Just press b and a popup shows up and allows you tochoose folder with autocomplete. It looks like this http://i.imgur.com/qYheafo.png
My only issue is that during the years I used Thunderbird (pre Postbox) & exploring the addons, I never even knew about Nostalgy or Expression. For me, it's worth $20 for someone to design a pre-loaded Thunderbird with the best addons & make it part of the default UI & support docs. I would have easily taken $20+ of billable time just to discover & decide between the TB QuickMove and Quick Folder Move addons.
[But I'm really glad Thunderbird can do this, now I can recommend Nostalgy & TB to folks who don't want to pay for an email program.]
Given that, I was going to wait until PB4 is no longer officially supported and make a full switch over to Thunderbird.
Currently Version 7 is still in Beta but it is stable enough to be my daily driver and it offers some important features like a message thread view, which is still missing on their current, stable 6.0 release.
for my desires - all of them sucks anyway, not providing basic features that are needed and bloating the client with thing almost-nobody-need
It has extremely powerful filtering, multiple inboxes for all my accounts (I prefer to deal with them separately rather than the unified inbox trend), IMAP and recently redone outlook.com/Exchange pipeline, can encrypt local store, and it's very customizable (can have it do threading/conversation for example). Reminds me of the old Opera in this regard.
The UI is a bit dated imo as it has stayed true to it's same look the whole time I've used it and skipping the modern trend of Outlook-like email client looks, but this to me is part of it's appeal. Once you get used to it.
> All mail clients suck. This one just sucks less.
I've become really fond of notmuch[1]. It's basically a mail database and library with really fast search, tags, and native support for threads. Numerous front-ends exists[2]; I use the bundled emacs client, but have wanted to try out nevermore[3] (it did not work well with Evil last I checked).
Because Jon von Tetzchner (founder of Opera and Vivaldi) thinks having it in the browser is superior to having it as a separate app. It used to be like this in Opera as well. His goal is to provide an application with more value than just the stripped down browsers you see these days.
You mean, "browsers".
> As if you did not already have the ability to put a mail client on your sidebar in Vivaldi. Using web panels, you can pin the email provider of your choice to an icon and open it in a sidebar at any point you like.
I... uh, I'm not sure, or at least I hope that's not what they mean by building a mail client. Not having to use a shitty web-based interface is about 75% of why I'm using a mail client.
It still looks and feels like a square peg in a round hole (not to mention slower than a drunk tortoise), but it's a little better than a web page thing.
They're still be missing the IRC and torrent clients :)
Quite simple: They want to have an email client with features that are currently not offered by any other email client.
I may of course be ignorant, but beyond being integrated within the browser, can you tell me of an email client that uses mutually inclusive folders that automatically sort email into themselves based on the same bayesian patterns that work for spam, and can be taught simply by dragging things in/out?
Because the folks at Slack haven't put a browser into their chat client yet?