Quitting your job to pursue your passion is a privilege
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> Quitting your job to pursue your passion is bullshit.
Not at all true. I know plenty of working class people who have saved money at their day jobs, researched a small business opportunity, and chosen to pursue it. A decent portion of them are succeeding beyond their wildest expectations. All are glad to have had the experience and put their money where their mouth (dream) is. You only live once after all. Not starting a business you wanted to is not a stone you want to leave unturned, for a lot of people.
But there's some key points here. They saved money. They planned. They came up with contingencies.
> This messaging is only beneficial for privileged people and very dangerous for working class people.
Right, throw away that ambition and continue to be my employee until the end of time. This is the kind of thing I would write as a modern day "Lord of the Manor".
Once again, be intelligent. Have an idea of your worth. Use the internet to do research, learn about small businesses, and financial planning.
Of course there's a big difference between a working class person and the kid who grew up in the valley with parents working at GoogleSoftBook who gets shuttled into Stanford and isn't in a rush to pay loans or move out after graduation, preferring instead to make mobile apps with his frat. That doesn't seem to be what's being discussed though. It's just some vague attack at those who go out on their own. I'm surprised this sort of post is getting upvoted on HN. Are we a forum of spectators envious at those who chose to try that which we did not?
As a final thought, people complaining about other people's privilege would be doing themselves a much bigger favor if they got off their ass and worked to maximize their own potential. Don't try to bring me down, work on bringing yourself up. I'd be happy to help.
I'm one of those. I understand the intent of this article. It's however unfortunate that the author has not come across enough success stories. Here is mine, which is arguably very small, but came out of exactly the same situation of an employee branching out:
* I saved, I was clear about not only what I like to do, but also what I'm good at.
* I couldn't get to it in my 20s, but I did get to it in my 30s.
* Yes, there was privilege, but not any more than so many of my friends and acquaintances have. I didn't come from money either.
* Yes, there was luck, but not any more than what I'd have needed to survive as an employee.
* Yes, there was agony of survival, still is, will continue to be, and only increase. But I expected that going in, and I carefully created a support system for it, which comes in handy in those tough times.
* Yes, there were unexpected events, including existential threats, but not any more than what I'd have had while working as an employee.
* It has only been a year and a half, and I'm in no position to sermonize, lecture and draw conclusions. But I know that I'm having a blast. I am answerable to nobody but reason, I have flexibility with my time like I never had, and I have immense satisfaction of being the first one to introduce a new useful thing to this planet and make an impact in lives of several of my customers.
But most importantly, it has afforded me life lessons which I'd have never had otherwise and I can accelerate my kids into. Yes, I'm making more than I'd have made in my job, but who is even looking at that?
[For the curious, I run this: http://InterviewKickstart.com]
Off-topic: a while back I toyed with the idea of making an interview coding practice smartphone app, so people could practice anywhere or on the go. You guys look into any mobile products? Feel free to run wild with the idea if you like it =)
There already are a few mobile apps for this e.g. coderust, Job Bytes etc. In fact, there are many excellent resources out there viz. books and websites. Existence and availability of material is not a problem and will never be in this connected world.
Problem is, that people don't get a chance to go thru that material properly. It needs a lot of dedication and a strong support system, which many people don't have. And hence, they squander a chance to work for best companies of their times, or even reach their true potential. That is what the course provides.
[EDIT] Also want to add that people grossly underestimate the responsibility of being their own boss. There are a lot of tasks you have to handle outside of your usual work like finances, scheduling, client outreach, etc...
The OP seemed to understand this, but a lot of people will create a start-up for the sake of being on the creating end of something without really knowing how practical their venture really is.
Paul Grahm may disagree though.
Although, I think those millions of views come from people who were lured into watching those by smart marketing message that basically laid out their problem(s) and promised it can be solved "with one simple trick".
Number of views only shows that many people share the same problem.
Well, most of them at least.
In trying to start my own business I'm still learning to get over my own self doubt.
It made a lot more sense when we used SMS to tweet.
A world in which such a service is a billion-dolar business is a world which's aggregate business method is to throw random shit at the wall and see what sticks. In other words, success in startups is a lottery.
I hope I cheered you up. :).
And in the vast majority of cases you were right. A parallel comment pointed out that it's a lottery. I don't even think that's true, as with the lottery I know exactly what the odds are. Odds on some random startup "...only for dogs, on the Internet"? Fuck if I know.
Yes.
Being an entrepreneur is about selling. Few people are good at selling. If you're good at selling, you can make good money doing it for someone else.
Expecting most people to be good at selling is a cruel fantasy.
Of course I'm thankful for my situation, and realize I'm luckier than many Americans, and lucky to live in a prosperous country. But is it really "privilege" to live frugally enough to save up for years, and then quit my job to pursue my passion? Am I not supposed to do that at all? Am I supposed to feel my privilege for having a job? Or computer skills? Or a computer in the first place? Electricity? I don't know where, to the author, the privilege train is supposed to end.
At first I did some consulting to help with expenses, but eventually I dropped that work so I could focus better on the product. But I also reveled a bit too much in the initial freedom after quitting, and took way longer to get the product to the next stage (which I'm now at) where I've got good features my users will pay for. So now I actually just accepted a salaried job again, as I only saved up enough for <1 year's expenses (definitely save up more :) ).
Overall I've learned more in these past months about business, product development, software development, managing people and finances than I would've in a lifetime working for someone else -- and that was my real goal. So overall it's been a success, and next time I do this I imagine I'll be much more effective.
> Am I not supposed to do that at all?
No one is suggesting that. We're just particularly lucky to be in this position in the first place is all.
The privilege argument seems to come out when people like us lose that perspective and expect others to do the same or are shocked when others won't. I don't see this applying to you at all because
> I'm not going around telling everyone to quit their job and be as ostensibly great and care-free as I am.
The fact that I am even here is evidence that I quit my previous career to pursue a passion. I also don't assume that the same decision would work for everyone. But I'd hardly call it "bullshit".
I am sure lots of points can be projected onto it, but the long and the short is she didn't do a very good job at saying anything very clearly.
"I don’t want anyone who works a 9-to-5 to feel like a fool for staying at a stable job, or feel wrong if they actually enjoy it."
The whole romanticized narrative of quitting your job to pursue your passion is certainly something I've encountered, and I appreciate her point of view on that narrative.
The author is a woman of color.
You didn't read the article, did you. He didn't take a risk, and it worked out just fine for him.
I didn't pay attention to the gender of the author when I read the article and made the mistake of trusting the commenter (who I was already accusing of not reading the article at all) to correctly gender the author
Words like:
- Patriot
- Freedom
- Terrorism
- Never Forget
- If we don't do X, they win
Ten years later, and I'm glad those words are a joke by now.But only to face new words:
- Privilege
- Trigger
- Victim Blaming
- Social Justice
- Perpetuating false narratives
Buzzwords only have currency with people who want others to stop thinking deeply about what they're reading or hearing.When I see buzzwords, especially the politicized variety, I'm pushed away from an article, because I sense an attempt to manipulate and pander to a preferred audience, and that feels dishonest to me.
If you CTRL+F the blog post for "privilege" you will see that the rant eventually turns to the topic to underscore somethingorother.
So the comment you're replying to lamenting the use of "privilege" in a somewhat asinine and ranty way seems on target.
"Pissed off developer rants" are pretty tired though. I'm not sure I'm really a fan of this guy's line of thinking or his outrage over it.
Like it or not, stepping outside of the 9 to 5 / collect-a-regular paycheck is a risk. It is brave in some ways. He's right in others that it does require a safety net & confidence which people raised in low-income environments might not enjoy... but the blog-post doesn't help anything.
As you rightly stated, these "power words" change with the political climate, but they all serve the same purpose: to divide and conquer. Balkanize the voter base in any way possible, and you have a fractured and easily controlled populace.
It appears modern democracy has been fully gamed.
[1] http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/technology/2014/01/...
So, basically equalising things a wee bit.
Maybe the bullies should start by apologizing and inviting us to their parties instead of demanding that we give them jobs.
To be clear, I do agree that being middle class and having free time as a teenager is a privilege. What I disagree with is that my choice to spend that time programming instead of partying is a privilege.
They have some nerve. They've already taken over the industry - your average programmer now is someone who picked software as a career path as an adult (starting university), and was not "into tech" as a kid. And now the already marginalized geeks are being called privileged?
If the latter child doesn't end up spending as much time programming as the former child, how much of it do you think was choice?
I absolutely agree with the notion of socioeconomic privilege. For what it's worth, I ended up making more than my (single) mother in my very first CS internship.
helping to level the playing field by giving extra help to those who don't have that step-up
Why does someone who is privileged have the obligation to help those that are not?However after some thought, and the rather unpleasant experience of having attempted to discuss and argue this point before, I do not think I can answer in a way that would convince you to change your current viewpoint, rather we would end up arguing opinions.
From my system of morality...
Why do you follow that system of morality and not another one?For example, people adopt and use Gauss's law, because they think it's objectively true. Is that the case with your moral system? Is that moral system objectively true or is it a matter of your opinion?
...idea that we all have a right to life, dignity, and knowledge.
The question is whether this is actually true or not. Theory of evolution is an idea, but we ask whether it's true. We don't call it an idea and expect people to take it seriously. You have to provide some arguments that humans actually have right to life and that others have the obligation to help those in need. ...rather we would end up arguing opinions.
Wait, so morality for you is a difference of opinions? Kinda like: 'I like chocolate ice cream, you like vanilla ice cream'. Is that moral system objectively true or is it a matter of your opinion?
...
Theory of evolution is an idea ...
Given relative morality (That everyone's moral views of the world differ in ways subtle to extreme), I don't think that morality is objectively debatable, since your view of the world is coloured by your system of morality. We can debate whether the theory of evolution is true because we have something other that we can compare against: 'Does this model accurately represent what is happening in the world', etc. Doing that with morality is impossible, it is a concept that is relevant only to humans.A half-baked example would be: If you kill a billion wildflowers, then that has a measurable effect on the surrounding environment, sure. But at the end of the day there is nothing to say whether the effect that had on the environment is good or bad. It is just an event, it happens, there isn't anything deeper here from an objective point of view. Right and wrong only come into it when you have a preference for a particular outcome. So you view this act as good if you have a preference towards the outcome of a city being built, or you view this as bad if you have a preference towards plant life being left intact. Since we all have different preferences for different outcomes, everybody's systems of morality are inherently different -- even if that difference is not pronounced in most cases.
Wait, so morality for you is a difference of opinions?
Kinda like: 'I like chocolate ice cream, you like vanilla ice cream'.
That is one way you could state it, sure. Why do you follow that system of morality and not another one?
I follow my system of morality because I have a preference against harming life. What I mean by this (ignoring the recursion, of course), is that I have been exposed to an overwhelming amount of stimuli, situations, and recollections where this opinion is presented as the preferable decision (Say, Star Trek, etc.), compared to the alternatives I have been exposed to.Thank you for the answer.
On a more overall point, I'd say that doing such a thing, even if noble and "well-meaning", actually demeans the work of the people that actually created the difference in "step-ups" as you refer to them in the first place.
Some things are given to you by coincidence of birth and location. But other things, the really important ones, are given to you by your upbringing (notably, effort from your parents and family). I will not go beyond telling others what a difference that effort makes. If you never got it yourself, you have a chance to give it to someone else, and not repeat previous mistakes.
Moreso, I think that we have a responsibility to provide that (better conditions) not only to our children, but also to whomever else we can.
I mean if you understand art that you recognize that it's a lot of work even if you aren't an artist. Those that don't know just assume it's as simple as flicking paint on a canvas and charging a fortune.
The same people will assume you can build a website for $100 because they have no knowledge on what the work requires.
[0] - https://xkcd.com/323/
- Disruption
- Free software
- DevOps
- Dragnet surveillance
- Fair use
- Intellectual property
- Responsive design
Are these words politicized buzzwords? Why or why not? They all seem to be shorthand words that deeply embed a particular worldview that not everyone agrees with. Do they also seem to you to be manipulative and pandering and dishonest?'Trigger' I find annoying in almost every context; with the exception of facilities for the clinically traumatised I abhor the idea.
'Victim Blaming' is a useful term but I'm sure overused.
'Social Justice' seems more often these days sarcastically used as in 'Social Justice Warrior'
'Perpetuating false narratives' does seem just a pompous way of saying lies/propaganda.
... but returning to 'Privilege' I think that's a term that is overused - and annoyingly as in 'check your privilege' can be used to shut down a conversation or deny a viewpoint because of who someone is. A pernicious form of ad hominem.
And yet reading the article I think the argument is well made and the term 'privilege' is not used glibly. So perhaps it's unfair to write off the point just because that one word is used?
I live with a gardener who makes just above minimum wage[1] who is planning to start his own business. For him not to do so would be a gigantic waste of his skills, as he's far and away the most competent employee of his current boss. He's courageous because he's going to take a carefully managed risk in order to fully use his skills, even though his life is reasonably comfortable as is, and by doing so will fractionally lower the cost of living for all the residents of the apartment blocks he plans to service[2].
When people say "pursue your passion", what they really mean is "you are too good for your current job, and staying there is a waste of your good fortune". It's a goad to prod the elite into working and climbing long after they've passed the point where they can live for the rest of their lives on savings and investments, and to push the comfy middle class to go through the extremely uncomfortable process of starting a business.
Having the audacity and wealth to single-handedly eradicate polio is also a privilege, but Gates is currently trying to do it, because society taught him that he'd be a good person if he did good things. Turning around and denouncing entrepreneurs as privileged will make for fewer entrepreneurs, even if it's true, in the same way as calling Gates a privileged do-gooder sufficiently loudly might stop his charitable work in Africa.
[0] hopefully positive change, and hopefully change that uplifts others
[1] minimum wage here is quite a bit higher than in the US
[2] by raising supply; I'm not an economist, correct me if I'm wrong here
I (and I would imagine the author) am all for people quitting their jobs for passion, and being able to do so thanks to their privilege. But I do think it's very important for them to recognize those privileges, not wax too poetic about the bravery and challenges involved (be strong and hustle non-stop) as if people in other jobs don't have to do that, and not tout the act as something anyone and everyone can/should do to lead a "fulfilling life."
"But what bothers me most is how we prop up the entrepreneurial class to be inherently brave and courageous."
I think she projects how she felt about entrepreneurs onto everyone else. I never thought of them as inherently brave, there are many kinds.
One small other thought is if it wasnt for entrepreneurs everyone else would have no one to work for. I am an entrepreneur not because of any particular bravery, I just like knowing there is no one to blame but me if I fail.
tl;dr OP quit their job because they were depressed, got bombarded with quips about how courageous they were, got seduced by conflating their depression with a courageous career choice, then talks about what caused other people to be so excited for them when entrepreneurial endeavors is a privilege reserved for the upper class, instead of a practical social contract of the American Dream
The best way to start becoming an entrepreneur is to start small. The mantra 'fail early, fail often' is useful, but only if you have the resources to apply it more than once, which means that assuming you're not rich you should start small. Start a side project, do consulting work in your spare time, etc... It's not rocket science.
That being said, I understand the desire to quit a job you don't enjoy. I know that desire can override doing things rationally. I have that desire often.
Two other points I think are relevant.
First, people treat passions are something one is born to. The things I'm interested in now I learned of mostly due to accident. For example, I got into programming languages because I read Philip Greenspun's writing back in the day, which took me to SICP, and from there onto other programming language theory. I studies AI thinking I was interested in genetic algorithms and fuzzy logic, but an inspiring lecturer got me interested in statistical machine learning. These are just lucky accidents. There are many other areas that would be just as deep that I could have landed in. A few chance encounters at the right time and I might have ended up in graphics, or distributed systems, or some other field away from computing.
Second, business as a sole trader is hard. It gets much easier when you can share the load and specialise a bit.
Quitting your job to pursue your
passion is horse applesThe problem is that you need to give it 100%. Otherwise you are just replacing one job with another. It is not good idea to 'travel the world' while building next startup. Best thing is to lock yourself in cheap basement, work 12 hours day, take regular walks, eat and sleep.
What killed my passion was toxic marriage. I filled time I would spend at work, with another task. And my passion was still on side track.
And author himself admits, he quit for other problems, following his passion was sidetrack.
Anyway just one warning: it takes lot of dedication and self-control. If you are struggling with procrastination etc, dont even think about it!
disclaimer: I am drunk
also lol at the disclaimer
This article is more about "employment is better than freelance". Seems like the author had no passion neither as a full-time employee, nor as a freelancer. It seems like the author don't know what passion really means or simply has no priority for it in her life.
That's ok unless you say that entrepreneurship is "bullshit" for working class. Sounds like a very biased statement. Everyone has their own way. There is nothing wrong with people who have passion to something different than full-time employment.
There are risks and then there are calculated risks. In other words, you should always know what you're getting yourself into ahead of time. A simple understanding of evidential probability will yield you the proper decision making tools in that regard.
I agree with the sentiment that privileged people have a softer landing if they fail, but there are many examples of working class or even penniless entrepreneurs becoming successful. Jan Koum comes to mind.
Working on your own on something you are passionate about is, in fact, not the ideal for all. Many many people see work as a paycheck. They derive their meaning from activities from outside of work.
One could argue they could enjoy work more if they incorporated a passion into it, but then what if they lose that stark line of separation? Some people may actually enjoy a clear line between work (make the money) and fun/meaningful stuff (spend the money on)
What if that passion loses its luster once its your work? What if you get most meaning from close relationships, how do you incorporate that into a job?
I'm wary of most things that say this is the ideal for everyone. There are universal needs but there are not universal ways to meet those needs.
1. Impose tax on corporate revenues, not profits
2. Regulate market capitalization of corporations
It's true that some people are going to have an easier time quitting a full time job to pursue a passion than others. The correct response is for those of us who have that privilege to do our best to recognize that not everyone can do that, and then enable those people for whom that's harder.
Discussions of privilege derail when they turn in to "...and so you should feel bad for being happy." No, you should recognize that if it's within your power to help other people be as happy as you are, you have a responsibility to do that.
You cant be responsible for other peoples actions, but to the degree you can be self aware about whom your advice applies to, you should.