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you can put your hunger to work for you, but you need to remind yourself that, if you carry extra pounds, hunger is what weight loss feels like. That ravenous feeling if you can keep it going, that right there is the success. celebrate it, and stop killing it.

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No, it's not. Learning how to eat and hydrate properly (both in terms of what and when) with your exercise pattern so that you don't feel ravenous while maintaining a calorie deficit is success. Feeling ravenous isn't success, and generally isn't sustainable.

The feeling of hunger itself is not the thing that's causing you to want to eat more. The aversion to the sensation is what's doing that, but you have control over the aversion.

it's interesting reading the hunger vs. no hunger debate. Personally I can't imagine losing weight without feeling hungry. Of course not constantly, of course not to the point of crashing, but you have to moderate the feeling. For some people it can pass in about a week, and you adjust to just eating less, and you hopefully stop feeling hungry. But I think almost everyone goes through at least an adjustment period.

I think this is true. I've never been very overweight so I admit it was easier for me to do this than it would be if I had to do it for longer, but I dropped ten pounds primarily just by drastically cutting the amount of food I ate for lunch. This led to feeling hungry at work, but when I'm working I'm very focused and able to ignore what my body is telling me. I suspect many other people here are the same way - if you find you're able to work for long periods of time without a break and you can drop into "flow", you may be able to lose weight by just eating less during those periods.

The reason high protein / low carb diets work so well for people is it removes this feeling. The protein tricks us into thinking we're sated even under a heavy calorie deficit

My experience is that really high protein/low carb diets (e.g. Atkins initiation phase) produce, for me, an uncomfortably full feeling without satiety. But there's pretty extreme variation in response person to person.

There is "I'm hungry" and then there is "If I don't eat something, I'm going to crash." It is not success, it means something is really imbalanced in your diet, and if you have the mental power to successfully ignore it, well, isn't that just an eating disorder?

That's no more of an eating disorder than the inverse: not having the mental power to acknowledge and respond to it appropriately.

Anyways, parent comment didn't say to starve yourself. It said to learn to be okay with being a bit hungry. Instead of learning to be okay with the feeling of hunger, people learn to be okay with the equally unpleasant feeling of being stuffed.

Grand parent's comment was about feeling ravenous during swimming, not just "hungry." Diet is not as simple as eating less food, since you are eating less, you need to make an extra effort to ensure your body is still getting what it needs.

I've heard people say "I'm famished!" and I don't for a second think that they've been through a literal famine and are starving to death. Maybe GP used "ravenous" literally, or maybe it's just a figure of speech to indicate having built up a good appetite.

I've totally had points where my work out crashed because my body was out of something. It could be water, protein, or even sugar or salt. There is a huge difference between "hungry" and body is shaking, weak feeling.

I meant that I was ravenous after swimming, not typically during. I used that word because it's different than the usual "I'm a bit peckish" that happens in the morning or after a few hours of not eating. I like the comment about thirst, it could easily be that.

I did bodybuilding for ~5 years and did the whole bulk/cut cycle every 3-4 months so I had quite a few cutting session and a few times I let myself go (30-40lbs overweight) and had to lose more than 10-15lbs; in those instances I did IF (Intermittent Fasting) and ate in 6-7 hour windows (evening). The first week or so you get pretty hungry in the morning, but after that it's pretty easy.

I only say this because I want to express that I'm familiar with just being a bit hungry vs much more than that. When I was 19 I lived with a friend and we were both broke, I dropped from 180lbs to 145lbs (on my frame that was skeletal) in a few months from not eating much at all. That was pretty severe hunger, but even my ravenous after swimming isn't as bad as that was.

FWIW, and if it matters at all, I'll be 39 in a month.

No, it really isn't. I dropped 15kg with diet moderation over several months a couple of years ago, and I wasn't left feeling hungry apart from the first week (where I was adjusting to reducing the volume of my meals).

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