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The real question is can you get in, win, and get out before any of that matters.

If you 'rode the facebook apps' wave you probably made decent money unless you stayed in too long.

Another strategy is to build an integration to messenger to get exposure for your totally independant app.

For example If i made some pizza ordering ai, i could hook it up to messenger as an additional channel.

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The 'real' question is how can we build an alternative platform that doesn't require you to try to 'win' by effectively screwing the people who actually use the stuff you build.

After someone comes up with an answer to that let's backport it to the very concept of the cloud.

The answer is "Users actually pay for shit."

Good luck with that.

sandstorm.io has some very interesting ideas, and have already implemented a usable base:

* click-to-provision web apps

* small fees on hosted version, full open source version available

* developer friendly

* open also for commercial software

I think that problem has been unsolved for ~500 years? More?

There's a word for people who only care about their own quality of life, and not that of those around them: "assholes".

Don't be an asshole, and don't advocate "fuck you got mine" practices like these. Let's work to dismantle abusive systems like Facebook.

So you agree with https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11482075 but also just felt like calling the parent an asshole?

Yes!

I don't think their proposed approach makes them an asshole. No need for promoting absolutism.

There's also a word for people who don't try to understand what someone else is trying to say and just tries to impose his own idea to everyone else by calling them names: "assholes".

"fuck you got mine" pretty much sums up capitalism as we know it today. Don't hold your breath for change

Not even close.

Very few people/companies get rich by not caring about their users or customers.

Most "greedy" corporations are actually improving the lives of their users or customers at least from the customers' perspective.

You start.

There's a word for people who like to daydream and spread their wishful thinking around them: "naive".

It actually stems from vanity and vanity is disgusting.

If you look at some of the successful startups that started on a platform, this is what they did.

Example: Instagram - used Facebook for viral distribution and eventually eclipsed Facebook Imgur - built image hosting for Reddit and now has eclipsed Reddit.

> Instagram - used Facebook for viral distribution and eventually eclipsed Facebook Imgur - built image hosting for Reddit and now has eclipsed Reddit.

Uh, not quite. Imgur would still die if Reddit went away. Same for Instagram. If Twitter and FB went away, it'd die.

Imgur has more traffic than Reddit: http://venturebeat.com/2013/09/26/imgur-traffic-milestone-10...

Imgur might, but I doubt Instagram will die if FB and Twitter went away.

Instagram is owned by Facebook, so it won't die unless they kill it.

I'm curious, so does that mean imgur has more active users now?

So, basically, a Ponzi scheme :)

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