Hey chromatic, maybe you missed the parts where I explicitly said that my historical knowledge is only as good as the sources I have read (+/- my sideline experience)? Please stop framing my clarifications as intentionally disingenuous. If you have additional historical perspectives to share, then by all means. I even explicitly asked for that in my original response.

Now, I think you are also being a bit disingenuous. The Parrot team shifted focus. You can say all you want that the original vision was always all dynamic languages (which I already said, by the way). But to frame the original Parrot efforts as anything less than building a foundation for Perl 6 clashes with my own memory of the timeline.

If the JVM and the Java teams essentially stopped talking to each other, I would definitely consider that to be some form of collective decision making representing an overall shift in focus for the projects. That's more akin to what I remember of the Parrot/P6 split. Even your post hints at it when you say "Various contributors never had (or lost) interest in P6". But again, I was only "involved" from the sidelines and am limited to the available materials, including yours, and synthesizing them from individual rants into some semblance of a balanced picture.