What Prominent Roboticists Think Google Should Do with Its Robots
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> If I were a large company with deep pockets, I would accept that robotics is what is called a ‘formative’ market and just like shopping on the web, it will take a decade or so to ramp up. Robots are innovations that do not directly replace people and thus it is hard for people to imagine how to use them—thus the market is formative. The theory of diffusion of innovation indicates that potential end-users, not developers, need to experiment with applications to see what works (and not just physically but human-robot interaction as well).
> However, robots have to be extremely reliable and the software customizable enough to allow the end-users to tinker and adapt the robots, so that the end-user can find the ‘killer app.’ Essentially, you can crowdsource the task of finding the best, most profitable uses of robots, but only if you have good enough robots that can be reconfigure easily and the software is open enough. I would concentrate on creating generic ground, aerial, and marine robots with customizable software and user interfaces in order to enable their regular employees (and customers) to figure out the best uses.
> In order to make sure the development was pushing towards the most reliable, reconfigurable, and open robots possible, I suggest the developers focus on the emergency response domain. Disasters are the most demanding application and come in so many variations that it is a constant test of technology and users. Imagine the wealth of ideas and feedback from fire rescue teams, the Coast Guard, and the American Red Cross, just to name a few! Focusing on emergency management would also have a positive societal benefit.
Personally, I don't see a mission-critical application for robotics any time in the immediate future. Low-risk deployments will yield data, not rescue teams. Firemen have no time to fool with experimental gadgets.
It's appropriate to be skeptical of course, but don't dismiss the expertise of someone before looking them up.
TI and Raytheon have used local police and fire departments as test customers for various electro-optical systems for decades. They are amenable, as long as they get the systems and support donated to the department.
Google is trying to enter a market already dominated and pieced out.
...which begs the question if I were able to spin up a billion dollar business at will, why would I work for salary and a minority equity stake at Google?
http://media.irobot.com/2016-02-04-iRobot-Announces-Sale-of-...
Something that's closer to a consumer / small business task, and is tedious, common, and not critical to get right would be a better problem space to explore.
"If anyone could crack the indoor social robot market that is seeing such high interest right now in both the consumer and commercial spaces, it would be them"
Why on earth would Google care about the indoor social robot market?
"If I were a large company with deep pockets, ... it will take a decade or so to ramp up"
It's always easy to say how other people should spend their money, and just because a company is one of the few that can do a thing, it doesn't follow that they should do it. A lot of the speculation seems to be of the "if I had a billion dollars, I would..." wish fulfilment sort.
I can see the point of self driving cars. They were doing street view anyway and that's a pretty obvious application for autonomous vehicles. But they're not actually a manufacturing or supply chain company. Their foray into that with Motorola was an expensive mistake. I just don't see that a lot of the other robotics stuff they're doing is relevant to their business. That doesn't mean nobody should be investing in this. Sure there are applications down the line, but are they relevant to Google?
The only one I can think of is data centre build out and maintenance. But Google aren't near the scale to support an entire industrial robot development and manufacturing industry just for a handful of data centres.
> Why on earth would Google care about the indoor social robot market?
Why on earth would google care about the home heating market?
In https://www.google.com/press/motorola/ , Google mentions Motorola Mobility (the mobile phone arm of Motorola), but I believe this is overshadowed by the overt statement about patents immediately afterward.
The answer seems to be "not very much". Google bought all those robotics companies but didn't get them to work together. All the companies are still in their original locations. Nobody has a product. Even Bot and Dolly, which had a product, no longer seems to be selling it. Boston Dynamics is being sold because they don't play well with others.
The whole robotics exercise seems to have been a hobby of Andy Rubin, and when he left, nobody had a clue what to do. Google/Alphabet, through mismanagement, may have added negative value to the robotics industry. Google's secrecy here seems to be more about hiding management failure than protecting intellectual property.
Martin Buehler, the brains behind BigDog, is now at Disney, and I expect we'll see more mobile robots there. Disney has wanted this for years; around 2000, they hired Danny Hillis to work on theme park robots. They got some improvements to their anamatronics, and a dino robot that pulls a cart but gets its balance from the cart wheels.
The next killer app in robotics is probably really good bin-picking. Kiva's mobile platforms can bring the shelf to the picker, but a human still takes the thing out of one bin and puts it into another. Amazon is working on solutions to that.
This is discouraging. It's the acquire-trash-dump thing Paul Allen was notorious for.
Apparently this includes having robots write titles for HN posts?
Couldn't someone build a delivery box (like an american mail box) that could be mounted on your property, close to the curb, within reachable distance from a delivery truck.
The truck could stop, tell the 'amazon delivery box' to unlock and open. Then place items in it. There could be various different sized boxes, from small to large chest freezer type things. The box would have some electronics in it, a solar panel on top, it doesn't matter how expensive they are - you can rent them from Amazon or whoever.
This would then reduce all the complex variables of how to drop packages off at the destination.
I've thought in the past about trying to design a door door with a mail flap equivalent that works for really large packages, or something you could build into the wall next to a door to replace a coat closet that'd serve the same purpose. Moving it out to the curb and making it automation-capable sounds like an excellent proposal for this purpose.
[edit] Authentication could be handled in a lot of different ways: QR code, RFID or other card/dongle/phone/internet based ways.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Packstation
We have those in Germany, it's quite common. Opening is done with a card and code or barcode. The article mentions countries with similar systems: Austria, Finnland, Estonia, Latvia, Poland, Canada, Australia and United Arab Emirates.
edit: And not mentioned in the text but there is an image from Denmark.
In this age of amazon and online delivery in general, I don't think it's going to be that scalable, but it is an alternative.
Is this a danger? They don't have military robots to my knowledge.
Geez, that was the FIRST thing Walt Disney went for. Look up "Project Little Man" with Buddy Ebsen as the model.
http://www.waltdisney.org/blog/early-days-audio-animatronics...
- Pick up anything from mostly anywhere.
- Schedule pickup around the clock.
- Move things/people securely and be able to track the contents through a camera.
- Act as a mobile living space. Not requiring a dashboard frees up a lot of space.
> Seventeen prominent roboticists think: "Google should do with its robots."
Doesn't matter what. They should just do.
do something
do great things
do nothing
do experiments
do a dance
fondue
Can you make fondue with gravy? Yeah, I bet that would be tasty.
Q: "Which company is sufficient with its robots?" A: "Google should do. [with its robots]"
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