I'm all for soaking the rich, but how is that fair? I was apparently rich by association, and it was pretty upsetting to see kids who were ostensibly poorer than I was get a substantially easier start in life.
It's a difficult issue for Hillary, whose husband oversaw implementation of some of the policies that created this environment.
And all of the Republican voters seem to be more afraid of brown people possibly getting money from the government, than about whether or not they can get sick or go to school without going bankrupt.
If we have a great compression, growth and redistribution like in the 50s/60s expect racial/immigration tensions to decrease a lot.
I wonder what led to such environment then, can't be because of anything that happened in the 30s/40s…
But you're absolutely right about Bernie and Hillary. Hillary, to me, isn't much different from Ted Cruz, and even more like Rubio. They're right-wing war hawks in the pocket of Wall Street, and the only things they differ on are social wedge issues that they use to get people on each side to vote for them.
AFAIC, our best hope is Bernie. Cruz and Hillary will both be a disaster and lead us into another war, and Trump is a wild card and highly unpredictable, though I think he's a lot less likely to get us involved in another war than Hillary or Cruz (he royally pissed off the GOP by saying the Iraq war was stupid).
There's a word for that: populist. Policy by opinion poll.
As most European democracies have found out over the past decades, most voters aren't political idealists. Ideas from all over the political spectrum appeal to them. Many of them end up not voting because every major party comes with a package of political ideals that don't work for them.
From time to time, a politician appears who manages to tap that potential, and throws the traditional, ideals-oriented politics into disarray.
Go look at his website now. It's the same old tired Republican canards like selling insurance across state lines (aka gutting your state's insurance commission as all insurance companies relocate to states without meaningful regulation like South Dakota).
The world could do a lot more with lesser wars, no unwanted migration, and no terrorism. The vicious cycle of violence killing innocents and following hate attacks are unbearable. I can't take it any more, I don't think anyone can.
I'm just an average guy looking to live my life, all Muslims are like that except those that have been brainwashed and are used for political reasons.
Why discriminate against me for my faith? Isn't the U.S. a secular country?
There's simply no reason to bring in populations that require more money to support than they contribute.
I'm not sure that's true. College kids aren't producing anything today. What we're trying to do is to force them to fund our long (and I do mean long) cushy retirements with what they will produce later.
The whole system seems to be set up right now to extract a great deal of what they will produce in the future and pull it back to the older generations. It's a promise to make them pay in the future. Well, promises can be broken, and in this case I'm almost certain will. They can say no.
It is "Everything You've Got" for students, though. If you have any college savings in your own name (or earn any scholarships), it will simply cancel dollar for dollar with university grant aid. Unless you can save more than the total of your grant over 4 years, better to spend it before the first financial aid paperwork (or not save it at all).
Though this only comes into play at a school that offers substantial grant aid. At a state school your savings can actually help.
(Or maybe they're better at filling in FAFSA? My father is a self-taught accountant who later went pro (incl. classes/tests etc), but may have been too honest.)
You make being a privileged middle class kid seem like such a chore.
There is always someone better then you, and there id always someone who got what you did for less. But on the flip side, you are also the someone to someone else.
Take out the room/board fees, and you're still looking at $14,000/year just for tuition.
So, even going to a top state university isn't going to keep you debt-free. Maybe not $100,000 in debt, but still a significant sum.
There is definitely a "donut hole" in terms of aid available to middle-class undergraduates[2]. If you're poor, chances are you can obtain grants or other aid. If you're rich, you can pay cash and not sweat it. If you're somewhere in the middle, that aid dries up fast, but you can't write a check.
[1] https://news.virginia.edu/content/board-visitors-sets-2015-1... [2]https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/get-there/wp/2015/01/29/...
It ends up being very good for lots of people, but the academic requirements, especially for your high school record, do introduce some socioeconomic and racial disparity with the awards.
[1] https://secure.gacollege411.org/Financial_Aid_Planning/HOPE_...
The Hope Scholarship looks REALLY nice - it appears available to any student who graduates with a very achievable GPA (3.0/4.0).
If schools didn't "soak the rich" then the potential of the student from a poor background would never be realised, and humanity would be the worse for it.
So we should encourage people that earn decent money not to save adequately for their children's college education?
This happened to me around my senior year of college. It's a scary thought that once you're done with college you need to get a job or be homeless. It lead to a lot of stress in the fall semester of my senior year while I was job hunting. It also stands to reason that if you're from a wealthy family then you had access to a good education. I can't understate how unprepared I was for college being from a poor school district even through I was in the honor classes! Poor students play a lot of catch-up in college early on. This is really hard to do when you're also trying to work 20 hours a week to afford food.
I'm not saying it's fair that you have so much debt but if it's zero-sum for financial aid I can understand why you were not given any over poor students whose parents are equally not able to pay. You're not thinking about the external factors that statistically probably put you ahead over a lot of poor students. Unfortunately that is life all we can really do is make sure our kids don't have the same problems!
MIT thinks it's okay to boil down someone's financial future into a single dominant number (parental income). What if your parents had a lot of debt because of a major illness or death? What if that supposedly high income is counter-balanced by living somewhere expensive because that's where the high-paying jobs are? The fact that none of that is taken into account means it's not about bad luck, it's about an unjust system.
MIT could afford to make tuition free, but the popular misconception that they're levying a tax on the rich means they won't. If you want to control how much one generation passes on to the next, there are far better mechanisms to do that than college tuition.
Once your debt is paid off you will have one less excuse to go do whatever it is you claim you really want to do. The only question is whether you will actually take advantage of that or whether you continue to whine about the world of opportunities that were somehow foisted upon you when you willingly chose to attend MIT.
I have a few ideas 1) Replace tuition with taking x% of income for y years following graduation. I'm not sure how this would work in regards to low-income degrees / departments. For example, would the low return on investment for an arts department mean it would get less funding? I suppose this would cause universities to optimize their education for earning potential of graduates. Could have interesting effects. Not all beneficial.
2) Could they use their endowments to essentially provide interest free loans? I'm guessing their would be lots of problems with this that I can't see.
3) You pay nothing while in school, but you pay a straightforward fraction of the school's operating costs for the next x years. I like this concept. If you make x long enough, your graduates have an interest in ensuring future students are able to contribute to the cause. Of course, they also have an interest in keeping costs low. That could create poor dynamics. Improvements would have to come from donations, not be a part of the budget.
In 2015, tuition accounted for only 10% of MIT's yearly revenue (~$331M), so you have to cut the rest of the budget by 10% to give everyone free tuition.
One natural area to focus on is yearly administrative costs, which in 2015 were $763M.
If you gradually cut administrative costs by building fewer beautiful buildings for undergraduates to be indebted in or hiring fewer administrators, you can afford for every undergraduate to attend tuition free.
For actual public benefits, I'd much prefer to give all the benefits to all the people and raise taxes accordingly. This means that, as a CA resident, I think I should be permitted to deduct rent even if my AGI is $38,259, and I think I should get the full Affordable Care Act subsidy regardless of my income. The rules would be simpler and my taxes would be simpler. In exchange, I would gladly pay higher taxes to make up the deficit.
For public university, it's a bit messier because of state residency rules. And for private universities, this wouldn't work at all unless the government directly subsidized private education.
(But maybe the government should ditch all the complicated student aid and student loan benefits and offer a blanket subsidy for education at accredited universities.)
However I do agree your proposed solution is better. Have universalist public programs that everyone can take advantage of regardless of income (tuition-free public university, no-charge public healthcare, etc.), and then instead of mucking with means-tested benefits and aid phase-outs as a way of indirectly taxing the rich, just tax them through actual taxes, the old-fashioned way.
Which is still silly. Who has more to spend/better opportunity to save? Two parents that make $75k each in Mountain View or 1 parent who makes $64,500 in Nowhere, Indiana?
> The Finnish government, elected earlier this year, is planning to introduce a tax-free monthly payment of 800 euros ($865) to all adult Finns, regardless of income, wealth or employment status. The payment would replace most other state benefits.
[1] http://money.cnn.com/2015/12/07/news/economy/finland-basic-i...
I appreciate your sentiment, but you realize all of the insurance companies will just raise their rates by the amount of the subsidy, right? More demand in the form of government money earmarked for a specific good, with the same supply of the good, means higher prices.
Gosh, I really dislike that turn of phrase.
Anyway, they can't do that, since the ACA has mandated that insurers spend at least 80 or 85% of premiums on health care costs since 2012.
The insurers ride that line as closely as possible, since their profit has to come out of the 15% allowed margin. This means an increase in total premiums without a commensurate increase in the cost of claims cannot happen. If an insurer's payouts don't exceed the mandated Medical Loss Ratio, they have to refund their insured customers for the difference by mailing out rebate checks. I've received two such checks myself.
That part of the law is particularly terrible. It directly incentivizes keeping costs high as the profit of the insurer is a fixed (says max but that means exactly 15%) percentage of the gross. It's in their interests to have the price of everything go up!
That's not the case, as the comment you replied to points out.
Let's say an insurer collects $1B in premiums some year. The ACA mandates that at least 85% of that is spent on healthcare costs. At most, the company gets to keep $150M, or 15% of the premiums. For every claim denied bringing the payouts below $850M, the number they keep 15% of goes down, so their profits go down. Denying claims costs them money, rather than letting them keep more.
If the insurer wants to make more than $150M the next year, there is only one way to do that: pay more than $850M in healthcare costs this time, and increase premiums by the same amount. That means encouraging and approving more claims, not fewer.
Unfortunately, this aspect of the MLR promotes, rather than punishes, increased healthcare costs as a byproduct. Competition is supposed to be the check on that -- if an insurer doesn't control costs so that it can raise premiums and keep 15% of a bigger number, you'll switch to a plan with another insurer that isn't doing that and offers lower premiums. Unfortunately, that's not doing the job very well for a variety of reasons.
> What actual good do they do? None, they just come between the patient and the caregiver.
Insurance protects the insured from catastrophic losses by pooling risk. When the caregiver wants to bill me several hundred thousand dollars in unavoidable expenses, I very much appreciate having a middleman I only pay $200 per month to instead.
For your point 2, you protect people from catastrophic losses by having a single payer: the government. Insurance is supposed to be a way of protecting people from catastrophic losses, which is why we have it for house fires, car accidents/thefts, etc. Healthcare is not about catastrophic losses in most cases, it's about ongoing care to maintain health. You getting your yearly checkup at the doctor is not a "catastrophic loss", nor is you getting an ultrasoound to check out something the doctor found to make sure it isn't something really bad. These are just ongoing care, and it isn't what insurance is designed to handle fundamentally.
As for $200/month, I wish. More like $800/month.
Point taken.
Maybe:
"I appreciate your sentiment, but won't that result in insurance companies raising their rates by the amount of the subsidy?"
I think that reads better. Makes the same point, less argumentative.
How does it justify that? We want to punish them with debt because their parents might have provided them with some opportunities?
The current system of funding higher education penalizes children of parents who don't prioritize college. There is no point to this and it just helps perpetuate privilege. We should stop unfairly assuming that parents are willing and able to pay for college.
Now, my own personal situation is a deal of my own making -- I decided to sign on the dotted line. But in the aggregate, considering all the other students like me --- I'm actually shocked at the push back in this thread. The same group of people that bemoans the death of the middle class can't see how this is a part of the problem?
I feel lucky. I was in one of the last generations to get halfway-decent interest rates. My younger brother is paying through the nose (what is it now, 6-7%?).
Perhaps this experience should make you rethink your support of "soaking the rich."
Having no monetary help from a family making 100K a year is still different from having no monetary help from a family making 20K. If we want fair, how is growing up in a family with poor parents fair compared to growing up in a family with rich parents? While you might be able to blame the parent for their own financial situation, you cannot blame the child.
>it was pretty upsetting to see kids who were ostensibly poorer than I was get a substantially easier start in life.
Considering that they already had an ~18 year start of life where they likely weren't having it easier...
Socialism is only meant to be fair if you are poor. And as you say you are rich by association.
A private school deciding to charge for its valuable stamp of approbal has nothing to do with it being a fair price.