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How incredibly naive is it to believe that both Sanders and Trump aren't just as part of the "establishment" as the others. They are bones thrown at the increasingly discontent left and right fringes.

On the off-chance either of them would be elected, nothing would change as far as the "establishment" is concerned.

Remember how Obama was the candidate of "hope and change"?

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One big difference is that neither is beholden to donors or "the party" machinery. They are more viable because other candidates are choosing to do retail politics in that they campaign by polls whereas these alternatives are irreverent of polls and have platform of addressing what they believe are ignored swaths of the public.

Until Sanders' retail politics gets him a majority of Congress, he's not going to do much of anything as president.

If the "establishment" didn't want them there, they wouldn't be there, believe that.

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