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My baby has 11 months and can slide to unlock my wife's HTC Android phone. That point was useless, but yeah, Apple users are usually not hackish nor need all the customizations and power user options Android offers (without talking about rooting and custom ROMs world). This is probably similar to Windows/Mac vs Linux discussion, although still my wife has zero technological skills yet uses Ubuntu on her laptop with zero issues. I still think that Apple products are way overpriced but they still sell because of a perfect marketing hype campaign. It is true that Apple really excels at making the right product from existing ideas, but still overpriced, and IMHO highly overrated. It's just not worth the price. I would go for Android/Linux every time even if I didn't need the flexibility they offer.

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I don't think you understand why some of us are buying Apple products. I've started with a developer job 15 years ago, I am a pro user (actually I've started programming while I was in the 5th grade, in '94).

I still get a console on Mac and I'm using it every day. What I don't want to do, though, is for me to start working for the computer, I want the computer to work for me. After years and years, I've reached a point where I just want the stuff to work. I still do like tech and I'd rather spend my time on investigating new technologies than tinkering with settings.

For me it's cheaper to buy Apple and get the free time. There's nothing wrong with other choices, though.

I really cannot grasp what you're talking about. I power up my Ubuntu PC at work (I don't know about your Mac, but mine takes like 3-5 seconds to boot, it is 3 years-old and costed less than 1000$) and start working. Right now I have 2 browsers open with ~10 tabs, 3 IntelliJ IDEA instances running, Thunderbird, Skype, 2-3 console instances, at least one VMWare machine running some Windows version, a PostgreSQL GUI client, a couple of SQLite GUI clients, distributed in 4 virtual desktops and using 2 monitors. Everything is running fine and smoothly. And last but not least, I can fine tune everything and anything to my liking. I don't like menus on the top taskbar? Gone. I don't like the desktop manager? Gone. I don't have to abide to whatever someone thought was better for me, because everyone has unique tastes and preferences. But I'm probably missing your point.

>And last but not least, I can fine tune everything and anything to my liking. I don't like menus on the top taskbar? Gone. I don't like the desktop manager? Gone.

This is what you don't get. Apple users don't want to have to do this, so they buy something that fits their desires right off the bat with OS X or iOS.

Read again: "if I don't like it I can change it". Note: "if" and "can". I highly doubt millions of people using OSX have the exact same opinions and desires and tastes. This is just like Iranian president saying there ain't no gays in Iran, or Kim Jung-Whatever saying all men should cut their hair like his because that's how hair is supposed to be cut. I've tried OSX and there are a lot of things I don't like, but guess what? I can't change it. I have forced myself too many years into submission on Windows but I'm not going to be forced to use something I don't like or doesn't suit my working habits anymore just because some overrated guru said so. I surely can try it for a while to see if it is really better that way but if I still don't like it, I want to be able to change it. And this is what I'm talking about: freedom. Freedom to choose to change it or not. This is what you don't get.

Most of the Ubuntu users I know use the default settings and like them, including me.

For me, Ubuntu just works. Even installing apps is a breeze. And I can keep updating the system (I have done it since 2012) and my stuff still works, so even updating the system is easier.

I do prefer it over the Windows desktop for just about everything.

Does it hold good while updating to new OS on an old Mac book pro. The last 2 OS updates made my mac book very slow. I had to tinker some setting to bring it up some respectable performance. I used to do those on Ubuntu. Now Ubuntu is just install and use mostly. But i couldn't get the touch working properly on Ubuntu else it would have been default OS on mac book pro.

> For me it's cheaper to buy Apple and get the free time.

That is a fallacy - the availability of choice does not imply the need to choose. If you're happy with the defaults on Ubuntu/Debian/Arch/Fedora/RH/etc you can just refrain from customising anything, just like you would on OSX or Windows. If, on the other hand, you feel the need - for whatever reason - to change something you're likely to have an easier time on those Linux distributions that you'd have on OSX or Windows. In the former case the choice is rarely more than an apt-get (or other package manager) invocation away. On OSX and Windows you're likely to have to resort to external suppliers - adding expense, hassle and yet-another-license-to-keep-track-of.

Why do you think they are "overpriced"? Is this generally or merely a personal opinion? What is it based on?

On (drumroll....) the fact that the average price-to-own for an iOS device is about double that of an Android device? On the fact that 128GB of memory for an Android device costs (in local - Swedish - currency, but the importance here is the relation between the prices) 400 kr compared to the ~3000 kr price difference between a 16GB and 128GB iPhone 6s? That a 'flagship' Android device will cost anywhere from 1/3 to 2/3 of the price of the current 'flagship' iOS device? That those Android devices come equipped with micro-USB ports so they can connect to the-world-and-its-brother while those iOS devices nowadays sport 'lightning' ports which require special (and, need I say, rather expensive) cables? That you can develop software for Android on whatever system you prefer, while developing for iOS means you need to buy into OSX and use Xcode? That apple only offers a limited spectrum of devices, none of which can be termed as 'affordable' compared to the plethora of Android devices?

That a 'flagship' Android device will cost anywhere from 1/3 to 2/3 of the price of the current 'flagship' iOS device?

I'm sorry but that is simply not true in Sweden. The highest end Android phones costs essentially the same as an iPhone, especially if you are 'buying' one on a contract.

Can you buy a pretty damn good Android phone for 1/3 to 2/3 of the price of an iOS phone that will hold their own? Absolutely, but that is hardly the same thing.

Highest end Android phones have usually better hardware than iPhones, and also they have their prices bloated just to look "luxury" like the iPhone.

Define better. I assume it doesn't involve the word faster or powerful

Orly?

Galaxy S6 vs iPhone 6S

- CPU: Octa-core 64-bit 2.1 GHz vs Dual-core 64-bit 1.85 GHz

- RAM: 3 GB vs 2 GB

- Weight: 138 g vs 143 g

- Battery: 2,550 mAh vs 1715 mAh

- Display: 5.1" Quad HD Super AMOLED 2560×1440 577 ppi vs 4.7" Retina HD IPS LCD 1334 × 750 326 ppi

- Rear camera: 16 MP vs 12 MP

- Front camera: 5 MP vs 5 MP

That doesn't necessarily mean better! It about the hole package. See http://simpsons.wikia.com/wiki/The_Homer

I just checked on http://prisjakt.nu and got a the following prices:

Samsung Galaxy S6 128GB ~6300 kr

Samsung S6 Edge 128GB ~6900 kr

Google Nexus 6P 128GB ~7400 kr

Apple iPhone 6s Plus 128GB ~10.000 kr

Granted, Apple does for some reason charge a lot more for storage than the other brands, but if you look at the 16-32GB phones the difference basically disappears.

Based on the price of the hardware. I remember purchasing Mac OS X Snow Leopard for 20$, I don't even count that in.

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